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Default JB4 Q50 Q60 VR30 Water/Meth (WMI) Dyno & Info - 02-04-2019, 05:46 PM

Strapped our 2016 Q50 Silver Sport down today for some dyno testing with the latest addition, a BMS integrated WMI kit.

Mods on the vehicle are JB4 v7 firmware, BMS intake, BMS inlets, BMS heat exchanger, BMS WMI kit (dual BM5 nozzles, 49/51 boost juice mix), 93 octane. Needless to say WMI kit performed very well. Hit a best of 450whp at 18psi peak boost!

Will get some "real world" track data and logs when the weather clears up.

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Default 02-10-2019, 01:48 PM

Wanted to give WMI it's own thread. Will add install photos and details to this post as time permits.
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Default 02-10-2019, 04:40 PM

Will this kit be available for California? And by any chance have you had an opportunity to test a red sport with it?
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Default 02-10-2019, 09:41 PM

Not planning to keep CARB approval for it, sorry.


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Default 02-11-2019, 07:14 PM

Any dyno runs on a redsport? Should we expect similar gains?
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Default 02-11-2019, 11:58 PM

Are the routing for the hoses and tubes final or are you guys still poking around? Canít wait for the release!!
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Default 02-15-2019, 02:57 PM

Is there no worry about the methanol going through the intercooler, as far as corrosion or something? Very excited for a wmi setup
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Default 02-15-2019, 03:51 PM

No we've been running hot side WMI for years on BMW applications. There are trade offs vs. cold side but no reliability concerns.


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Default 03-05-2019, 03:03 PM

Look what just came in...
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Default 03-05-2019, 03:37 PM

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Look what just came in...
Is it ready for pre-orders or for kit testers yet?
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Should have the kits up on our site tomorrow.


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Default 03-06-2019, 06:18 PM

Info about the controller and how it interfaces with JB4? I would rather inject into the intake manifold post sensors and turbo, as well as install the tank under the hood instead of the trunk. Will the ordering be customizable enough to do that?
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Default 03-07-2019, 10:00 PM

Looks like we have a VR30 Kit on the website. Install instructions are BMW engine centric - are there plans to update them so we have a more cookie recipe to follow for the VR30 ?


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Default 03-07-2019, 10:03 PM

Sir no meth kit on website its been 24hrs I feel so betrayed terry WHERE IS MY METH KIT TERRY I NEED MY METH
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Default 03-07-2019, 10:10 PM

It's been up since this morning...

JB4 Methanol Injection Kit for Infiniti Q50 / Q60


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JB4 Methanol Injection Kit for Infiniti Q50 / Q60
Order placed....THANK YOU for NOT including the silicon hoses as part of the kit for those of us who don't want to inject via that location.
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Default 03-08-2019, 06:41 AM

Terry since this thread is specific to meth injection, can you give an overview of how to setup the JB4 for Map 8? I.e. boost additive, signal scaling, min flow boost, etc.? Is the boost a tapered additive like the other maps, meaning we cannot use map 6 AND meth?
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:58 AM

There are settings to enable WMI flow on all maps. But initially we suggest only using WMI with map8, the additive determines how aggressive the boost target is under full flow.

As customers start sharing WMI logs in this thread we can dive in to the details.


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There are settings to enable WMI flow on all maps. But initially we suggest only using WMI with map8, the additive determines how aggressive the boost target is under full flow.

As customers start sharing WMI logs in this thread we can dive in to the details.
Is map 8, 8 psi over stock? It would be nice to get some added details around using this since its integrated with JB4 and there's little info.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:23 AM

Map8 runs from 0psi to 10psi over stock depending on the WMI additive settings and meth flow.


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Default 03-08-2019, 10:26 AM

That is the type of info needed. I'm struggling to understand how you're selling a kit, one that is highly integrated with your add on tuner, without explaining or showing how it works and what to adjust.
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Default 03-08-2019, 06:09 PM

Terry, how does boost by gear affect map8?
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Default 03-10-2019, 07:59 AM

Terry,

Any installers you would recommend in the Dallas, TX area?
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Terry, how does boost by gear affect map8?
Same as any other map. Boost target is dynamically reduced.


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That is the type of info needed. I'm struggling to understand how you're selling a kit, one that is highly integrated with your add on tuner, without explaining or showing how it works and what to adjust.
That's because we don't want anyone to make dramatics adjustment to the default settings yet, until we see their WMI data.

The basic concept is simple though. When on map8 WMI flow is enabled based on internal mapping, and boost is transitioned between a low boost map and a high boost map as a function of that WMI flow. The additive setting determines the maximum transition. The low map is similar to map1, and the high map is similar to map7.


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