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Default My DAW Stage 2+ data logs - 01-21-2020, 11:41 AM

I just installed stage 2+ DAW with upgrade compressor wheel, they have less than 200 miles on them. I am running MHD hybrid turbo BEF and map 2 on jb4. I plan on getting a custom flash after I know everything is good. Two of the pulls were at 50 meth injection and one was at 100. The turbos spool up really fast, car feels good.

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Meth injection at CP, running 49/51 boost juice
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Default 01-21-2020, 12:46 PM

Your HPFP is tanking pretty hard..

What are you using for fuel?


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Default 01-21-2020, 01:06 PM

I’m using e50/60 blend, I have a stage 2 lpfp and meth injection at CP

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Default 01-21-2020, 01:33 PM

Also, it looks like you are slightly overshooting on boost and you haven't adjusted the duty bias for hybrid turbos. I've got the same hybrids as you and had to do that to keep the boost curve smooth. your boost safety should also be higher around 22.


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Default 01-21-2020, 01:41 PM

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Also, it looks like you are slightly overshooting on boost and you haven't adjusted the duty bias for hybrid turbos. I've got the same hybrids as you and had to do that to keep the boost curve smooth. your boost safety should also be higher around 22.
No, I haven't messed with the duty bias, only fuel bias. I'm being very conservative right now with my boost to be safe.
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No, I haven't messed with the duty bias, only fuel bias. I'm being very conservative right now with my boost to be safe.
17 PSI target with 20.3 PSI overshoot is not conservative. Any higher overshoot and the JB4 will toss you to map 4. My suggestion to raise the boost safety is to prevent that from happening.

Changing the duty bias will PREVENT your overshoot, thus being safer.


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Default 01-21-2020, 01:50 PM

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17 PSI target with 20.3 PSI overshoot is not conservative. Any higher overshoot and the JB4 will toss you to map 4. My suggestion to raise the boost safety is to prevent that from happening.

Changing the duty bias will PREVENT your overshoot, thus being safer.
Ok, I guess i was looking at it the opposite way. What should i set the duty bias to?

We have a very similar setup, can you post up screenshot of your JB4 User/WMI setting? The only thing I have you don't is the meth cp injection. Thanks.
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Default 01-21-2020, 01:56 PM

Also I'm running the MHD hybrid turbo flash, does this flash factor in E50/60 blend, maybe that's why my HPFP is tanking?
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Default 01-21-2020, 02:08 PM

Heres my log review thread: Take a look at the most recent log toward the bottom for my settings. I have some newer ones since switching to E30 fuel (those are on 91 Oct) if you need more info but I haven't posted them since I can self-diagnose.

No WMI or stage 2 LPFP for me. LPFP is next month tho.

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As for your HPFP, its interesting as it really jumping around on pressure. I wonder if your sensor is starting to go, but it seems to hold 9-11 values (1350 to 1650PSI) during high RPM, which is barely hanging in there. Your trims are also OK.

Your AFRs are also leaner than mine, probably because of the E85 BEF you are running.

Timing also looks OK except for Ign5 which has a drop in 4th gear.


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VRSF J Pipe and Charge Pipe
HKS BOV
Black Market Racing 3.5" Exhaust
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Default 01-21-2020, 02:13 PM

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Heres my log review thread: Take a look at the most recent log toward the bottom for my settings. I have some newer ones since switching to E30 fuel (those are on 91 Oct) if you need more info but I haven't posted them since I can self-diagnose.

No WMI or stage 2 LPFP for me. LPFP is next month tho.

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As for your HPFP, its interesting as it really jumping around on pressure. I wonder if your sensor is starting to go, but it seems to hold 9-11 values (1350 to 1650PSI) during high RPM, which is barely hanging in there. Your trims are also OK.

Your AFRs are also leaner than mine, probably because of the E85 BEF you are running.

Timing also looks OK except for Ign5 which has a drop in 4th gear.
Cool, thanks. Yeah my HPFP is not very old maybe 5000 miles it. Before my MHD hybrid BEF I was running the the PUMP_USA BEF and my fp_H values were better.
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Default 01-21-2020, 02:19 PM

Oh and also, reset your FF to about 30 if you change settings. I had mine to high intially and overboosted the entire rev range.


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VRSF J Pipe and Charge Pipe
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Black Market Racing 3.5" Exhaust
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Default 01-21-2020, 02:21 PM

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Cool, thanks. Yeah my HPFP is not very old maybe 5000 miles it. Before my MHD hybrid BEF I was running the the PUMP_USA BEF and my fp_H values were better.
because you are running E50 fuel, I wouldn't switch back or your trims will max at 50 most likely. Only way to help out the HPFP is more meth or less boost.

how does it feel though? I see your calc_torque values are in the 60s which is a lot!


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Default 01-21-2020, 02:24 PM

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because you are running E50 fuel, I wouldn't switch back or your trims will max at 50 most likely. Only way to help out the HPFP is more meth or less boost.

how does it feel though? I see your calc_torque values are in the 60s which is a lot!
Car feels good, pulls hard 3-4 gear. Turbos spool really fast. I know it has a lot more once dialed in.
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Default 01-21-2020, 03:23 PM

Rustl3r, what map do you recommend running? Im currently running map 2.
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Default 01-21-2020, 03:33 PM

You need to disable FF gain- via FUD settings

You can help your HPFP by lowering boost, lowering ethanol content, or as stated increase methanol.

You can set your duty bias to mirror our hybrid settings & then relog map 1.


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Rustl3r, what map do you recommend running? Im currently running map 2.
With FF gain disabled as Dave said above, recommend you switch to map 1 or map 4 and do a relog to see what your HPFP pressure behaves with the lower boost. If you still have no change in the "dips," I would think you have a bad sensor. Its tricky to tell though. The HPFP seal could be failing too, but usually that results in consistent bad pressure.


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With FF gain disabled as Dave said above, recommend you switch to map 1 or map 4 and do a relog to see what your HPFP pressure behaves with the lower boost. If you still have no change in the "dips," I would think you have a bad sensor. Its tricky to tell though. The HPFP seal could be failing too, but usually that results in consistent bad pressure.
OK, dont mean to be a noob but can you disable the FF gain in the JB4 bluetooth app? Im using the app not a laptop.
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OK, dont mean to be a noob but can you disable the FF gain in the JB4 bluetooth app? Im using the app not a laptop.
Yep, go to user map settings and scroll down to the future use area and select Bits, choice to disable FF gain should be in there.


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Yep, go to user map settings and scroll down to the future use area and select Bits, choice to disable FF gain should be in there.
Ok, thanks. Yeah Iíve done all my own work to my car, I work on BMWs for a living but when it comes to all the different setting for the JB4 I get a bit lost.
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Ok, thanks. Yeah Iíve done all my own work to my car, I work on BMWs for a living but when it comes to all the different setting for the JB4 I get a bit lost.
All good. I did the work on mine as well. YouTube Educated lol.


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Black Market Racing 3.5" Exhaust
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All good. I did the work on mine as well. YouTube Educated lol.
Oh nice, Iíll check it out! You have a vid of jb4 setting?!
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Oh nice, Iíll check it out! You have a vid of jb4 setting?!
No no for the turbo installation and all the related wrench work I used you tube and the BMW tech manuals for torque specs. I just checked out and played with every menu on the Jb4 app to familiarize myself.

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Ok, hereís another log with the adjustments. It went into map 4 right before I started the pull. And now my car is making odd noises. Need to look into that before anything else.
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Ok, hereís another log with the adjustments. It went into map 4 right before I started the pull. And now my car is making odd noises. Need to look into that before anything else.
The JB4 will tell you what caused the last map 4 safety. Check that out.
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The JB4 will tell you what caused the last map 4 safety. Check that out.
I think it was over boost.

I mirrored the ďhybrid turboĒ setting on the sticky thread. It was too much I think.
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