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Default 4bar TMAP support for the JB4 - 01-21-2016, 12:22 PM

Hey guys,

Due to increasing demand we've finally added 4bar support to the N54 JB4. This allows logging and control of up to 43.5psi. Perfect for those single turbo guys looking to break parts!

We've sourced a Bosch sensor that is fully plug and play and made a PNP harness adapter for a simple direct fit. Each kit includes two orings. A smaller and a larger. We found the larger fits the CPE chargepipe bung better. But other chargepipes may be tighter on the TMAP flange. So we'll just ship them with both orings. In addition we give you an extra 8x32-5/8" long screw to attach the sensor. This is the correct size for the CPE chargepipe. If your chargepipe uses a metric or different size you'll need to source your own 1/4" longer screw to accommodate the sensor.

The 4bar requires the latest JB4 firmware (v126 for single turbo, v32.1 for hybrid turbos) and the latest JB4 interface. Donnie has added support to JB4 Mobile as well in the latest build. To enable you'll set 3.5bar TMAP to 2 as opposed to 1 for the 3.5bar N20 sensor. There is a chance we'll need to modify the IAT voltage tables within the back end flash for proper intake temperature reading although bench testing has shown the sensor appears to use the same intake temp profile as the factory sensor. So we should be good there. We'll need some logs from warmer climates to fully evaluate that aspect and if any back end flash map changes are required for reading intake temperatures we'll post them.

The best news is we were able to buy the sensors in bulk to get the price down. The kit is $99 including the sensor. While it's mainly for large single turbo cars the 4bar can be used with OEM & hybrid turbos, if someone wants the convenience of buying a sensor & adapter harness in one shot. There is not much of a resolution drop between this sensor and the 3.5bar N20.

We'll continue to support both the 3.5bar and this 4bar in all JB4 versions going forward.

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Default 01-21-2016, 12:30 PM

Haha Nice! 40psi here we come!
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Default 01-21-2016, 12:36 PM

Is it sufficiently secured with just the bolt on one side holding it down? Would a bracket over the top to use both be better?


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Default 01-21-2016, 12:38 PM

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Is it sufficiently secured with just the bolt on one side holding it down? Would a bracket over the top to use both be better?
Even at 40 psi there isn't much force trying to push it out. The single bolt should be more than sufficient.


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Default 01-21-2016, 12:38 PM

Yes, the sensor is designed to be held in by one bolt. Which is why there is only one hole on it.

I bench tested it up to around 40psi when doing the initial calibration and it held just fine!


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Default 01-21-2016, 12:50 PM

Well seeing that this pricing is better than the n20 sensor.. Would it be suitable for someone running 24psi?
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Default 01-21-2016, 01:07 PM

Absolutely. Anyone who needs more than 20psi should have this or the 3.5bar.

Since the Bosch sensor uses a wider voltage range of 0.4v - 4.65v instead of Continental's 0.5-4.5v there is no significant resolution drawback.


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Default 01-21-2016, 01:09 PM

For those of you who wish to use this with the MHD 3 cell MAP scaling, I just worked out the values. Here you go!
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This is the best part about Terry and BMS. They think about adding a 40 psi sensor and 2 weeks later there you have it

BMS and Terry FTW!


F21 M140i - 100-200: 5.18 60-130: 5.96
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This is the best part about Terry and BMS. They think about adding a 40 psi sensor and 2 weeks later there you have it

BMS and Terry FTW!
Flash guys add support 30min after a map sensor part # is known


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Flash guys add support 30min after a map sensor part # is known
But flash guys don't support my F series :D


F21 M140i - 100-200: 5.18 60-130: 5.96
Audi TTRS - 100-200: 4.01 60-130: 4.5
F80 M3 - 100-200: 4.32, 60-130: 4.8
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This is the best part about Terry and BMS. They think about adding a 40 psi sensor and 2 weeks later there you have it

BMS and Terry FTW!
I literally went through 20 different sensors before we found this gem. This kit was almost $250 using a different but similar sensor.


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For those of you who wish to use this with the MHD 3 cell MAP scaling, I just worked out the values. Here you go!
Be sure to bench test your calibrations. The best way I found was to take the sensor off the CP but leave it connected to the DME, connect it to a boost source, I used an air compressor that is also connected to a high qualify 50psi gauge, and step up in increments of say 2psi from 0psi up to 40psi, making sure the software output matches the external gauge. I could not get the spec sheet for this exact sensor but in testing I found it was slightly different than other 0.4v to 0.465v sensors spec sheets I found posted online.


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Default 01-21-2016, 01:38 PM

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I literally went through 20 different sensors before we found this gem. This kit was almost $250 using a different but similar sensor.
Maybe i'll need this too in the near future Good to know its available at only 90ish


F21 M140i - 100-200: 5.18 60-130: 5.96
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Be sure to bench test your calibrations. The best way I found was to take the sensor off the CP but leave it connected to the DME, connect it to a boost source, I used an air compressor that is also connected to a high qualify 50psi gauge, and step up in increments of say 2psi from 0psi up to 40psi, making sure the software output matches the external gauge. I could not get the spec sheet for this exact sensor but in testing I found it was slightly different than other 0.4v to 0.465v sensors spec sheets I found posted online.
I found the spec sheet for this exact part # in the Bosch catalog. We will grab one to test as well too though.


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Wish i needed this hahaa Great work as usual!


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Would we still need to adjust the duty bias for this sensor?
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Default 01-21-2016, 03:47 PM

Terry, any downsides of using this 4bar sensor vs the N20 ones? Such as lower resolution or so, or it doesn't really matter for this application.

If not, I don't see the reason to use the N20 at this point since it is more expensive and has smaller range.


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Yes when you change the sensor you need to evaluate your duty bias.


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Terry, any downsides of using this 4bar sensor vs the N20 ones? Such as lower resolution or so, or it doesn't really matter for this application.

If not, I don't see the reason to use the N20 at this point since it is more expensive and has smaller range.
No reason not to use this one instead. Both are great options though.


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Yes when you change the sensor you need to evaluate your duty bias.
Any experience where to start, I know on the n20 you mentioned to set duty bias at 65? I'm guessing this doesn't apply for this 4bar map sensor? Is there a group buy or just purchase off of the site?
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Be sure to bench test your calibrations. The best way I found was to take the sensor off the CP but leave it connected to the DME, connect it to a boost source, I used an air compressor that is also connected to a high qualify 50psi gauge, and step up in increments of say 2psi from 0psi up to 40psi, making sure the software output matches the external gauge. I could not get the spec sheet for this exact sensor but in testing I found it was slightly different than other 0.4v to 0.465v sensors spec sheets I found posted online.
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I found the spec sheet for this exact part # in the Bosch catalog. We will grab one to test as well too though.
Great work guys. Yea usually I just use the manufacturing specs. Never had an issue. Bosch is also pretty good about releasing information as such of their product. I quick email with a part number specifically asking for the cal data usually works. Within a day or two I have whats needed.

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Any experience where to start, I know on the n20 you mentioned to set duty bias at 65? I'm guessing this doesn't apply for this 4bar map sensor? Is there a group buy or just purchase off of the site?
Same values are fine. It's available via our website.


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Same values are fine. It's available via our website.
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Great work Terry and great price!


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