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Default 11-26-2013, 04:28 PM

To check for you actual software run INPA choose E90 chassis and then a pop up box. Choose functional jobs on the right of box. Then UIF and look for EGS module and the ZB number. That is your software on tranny module now before flash.


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Default 02-15-2014, 02:58 AM

Any differences between Try 7603541 Euro or 7601494 US" I have 3541 loaded currently, I use d mode 99%,of the time and alpina was just too unresponsive. N54 stage1 xi
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Default 02-15-2014, 09:08 AM

For any of you guys that cannot flash due to being pre 3/07 build dates, I have an extra TCM out of a 2010 e90 335i for sale. I bought 2 salvaged trannys when I was doing my MCM swap research and only used one of the MCMs. PM me if anyone is interested.
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Default 02-15-2014, 07:37 PM

7603541 seems to have more delay on gear change wot than alpina, haven't tried 7601494 yet... Muuuuch better to drive around in d mode though
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Default 02-16-2014, 03:20 PM

I'm not crazy about the Alpina flash. Anyone figure out for sure what the best alternative is?
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Default 02-17-2014, 11:50 AM

I flashed to ZB 7601494 this weekend and I like it so far. D is ok but M is A LOT smoother shifting than Alpina. Alpina is crap IMO.
Plan on trying the others as well and reporting back.
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Default 02-17-2014, 11:53 AM

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I flashed to ZB 7601494 this weekend and I like it so far. D is ok but M is A LOT smoother shifting than Alpina. Alpina is crap IMO.
Plan on trying the others as well and reporting back.
please compare to 7603541, have that on my car right now wondering if 1494 is any different
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Default 02-17-2014, 12:19 PM

Has anyone tried the 7603527 flash besides me and Trebila? I've been running it for a couple of months. It runs better than the 1494 flash for me. It wasn't shifting smoothly for some reason and that's with an INPA reset. Trebila what are you running now?


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Default 02-17-2014, 12:20 PM

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I flashed to ZB 7601494 this weekend and I like it so far. D is ok but M is A LOT smoother shifting than Alpina. Alpina is crap IMO.
Plan on trying the others as well and reporting back.
Would appreciate some further impressions on 1494 vs Alpina if you have time. Does it still display D1, 2 and S1, 2, etc.? How about shift speed?

There are sort of 2 clicks/detents per shift when you press paddles, once going in and once coming back off. Stock flash seemed to shift closer to the second click, Alpina almost immediate with 1st click. Is that the case with 1494 or is it slow like stock?
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Default 02-17-2014, 08:26 PM

1494 is definitely better, to me anyway, than the Alpina. The "D1-6" is no longer there but it is for S and M. The shift duration is a bit longer and smoother in D mode. M mode is much improved as far as smoothness but I really can't give a comprehensive assessment on it until I replace my drive-shaft this weekend. Driving 50mph is cruel and unusual.

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Would appreciate some further impressions on 1494 vs Alpina if you have time. Does it still display D1, 2 and S1, 2, etc.? How about shift speed?

There are sort of 2 clicks/detents per shift when you press paddles, once going in and once coming back off. Stock flash seemed to shift closer to the second click, Alpina almost immediate with 1st click. Is that the case with 1494 or is it slow like stock?
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Default 02-18-2014, 06:27 AM

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1494 is definitely better, to me anyway, than the Alpina. The "D1-6" is no longer there but it is for S and M. The shift duration is a bit longer and smoother in D mode. M mode is much improved as far as smoothness but I really can't give a comprehensive assessment on it until I replace my drive-shaft this weekend. Driving 50mph is cruel and unusual.
OK thanks for the feedback, I may try this later during springtime.

I happen to like most of the Alpina, certainly better than stock. Shift times are no comparison, M and S mode are pretty much all I use except when cold or loafing at highway speeds. The shifts on S mode are fine, M mode a little too much throttle blip when up/downshifting at light throttle. But like I said so much better than stock.

D mode for cruising in town is not pleasant, being in 6th @ 40 mph no fun at all, and you have to really get your foot into it to get it to downshift. I use paddles in D for that now, some relearning required.

For a long time I puzzled over why D sucked so bad, but then I was reading on Alpina's website. Euro CO2 req is very tight, as are other emissions standard, so many green a-holes over there. So I think the D mode is to satisfy them, or maybe even a specific test loop for certification. Much like the skip shift "feature" on manual Corvettes here for a while. But they go on and on about how even with the extra HP the B3 still meets stringent regs etc.

Last Q: did you reset TCU adaptations after swapping files, or have you recently?
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Default 02-18-2014, 07:06 AM

i'm considering the alpina flash.
i cant drive my car at the moment & I havent had it for long, but is there any difference on the stock tcu map in the way the car blips for downshifts between Drive & sport mode?

i dont recall there being much of a blip in manual mode - but i might have been manual shifting in D.


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Default 02-18-2014, 01:39 PM

I was using ZB 7603527, then I uploaded Alpina B3.
Alpina b3 is great in S and M mode, but it just sucks in D mode.
So I tried 7603541 (european version), D mode was much better, but gear shiftings in S and M modes were definetly slower than with Alpina B3.
I'm running Alpina B3 for few month now, but D mode is horrible.


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Default 02-18-2014, 01:46 PM

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I was using ZB 7603527, then I uploaded Alpina B3.
Alpina b3 is great in S and M mode, but it just sucks in D mode.
So I tried 7603541 (european version), D mode was much better, but gear shiftings in S and M modes were definetly slower than with Alpina B3.
I'm running Alpina B3 for few month now, but D mode is horrible.
I agree about D mode. But I only use it during cruise.


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Default 02-18-2014, 08:04 PM

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I was using ZB 7603527, then I uploaded Alpina B3.
Alpina b3 is great in S and M mode, but it just sucks in D mode.
So I tried 7603541 (european version), D mode was much better, but gear shiftings in S and M modes were definetly slower than with Alpina B3.
I'm running Alpina B3 for few month now, but D mode is horrible.
same sceneario as me, did you try 1494 maybe it's better? also i have a working gs19.ipo but cannot find "Reset adaption" anywhere, do i have the wrong file or where is it?

I do like alpina better than 7603541 all around I think though
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Default 02-19-2014, 12:45 PM

So been reading this thread and not sure if it is recommend to reset the adaptation or not. So is it good to reset adaptation each flash?


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Default 02-19-2014, 01:13 PM

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So been reading this thread and not sure if it is recommend to reset the adaptation or not. So is it good to reset adaptation each flash?
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Default 02-23-2014, 06:09 PM

I have an early build 2011 car so I guess I had the 2011 flash? I can't get inpa to work right and I really don't feel like messing with it so I don't know my starting version...

With that being said, I was able to flash the euro sport flash (xxxx41) using winkfp. Feels similar to stock in D but shows gear indicator in S.

My question to you is:

Has anyone tried all three alternatives? (Euro sport, US sport, 2011 stock)
If so...
Which one has the most aggressive D mode?

I spend 99% of my time in D mode and I just wish it was a little more firm. Something about doing WOT pulls and hearing the trans slip from gear to gear just upsets me...
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Default 02-25-2014, 06:03 PM

OK so I tried a few different flashes.

I tried 7603527 (2011 flash, actually from a 135i I think) and it was the quickest shifting in M mode of all of them BUT it did the weird tach thing (where it bounces to 0 RPM for a split second between shifts in M mode) with my car and my car is actually a 2011!. Go figure. I know there is a DME update but I am scared to do it using WinKFP, as there is no real guide for my car specifically, plus I am still under CPO warranty (which I probably voided considering I forgot to turn UIF write off when I did my TCU...oh well).

I tried the newest E90 flash (even newer than the 7603527 flash) but it was the SOFTEST all around for me. I forget the number.

So I am now back to the euro flash (7603541, actually for a Z with N52 I believe). It has pretty much the same D mode as the 2011. The M mode shifts are NOT as quick as they were with the 2011 flash, but at least my tach works.


CONCLUSION:

I believe that the 2011 flash is probably the best flash. I would be using it if it weren't for the tach issue.

I am now running the euro flash and it seems OK. I did not try the US version. If I update my DME, I will go back to 2011 flash.

Both the euro sport and the 2011 flashes have a more aggressive D mode than my stock one. This is good because it helped to get rid of the little flare the trans would do while shifting from 2 to 3.

Does anyone care to PM me or explain to me how to update my DME safely so I can use the 2011 flash without my tach going ape****?

I am scared I will lose my "coding" or some **** like that. This car is too complicated. About to put a 4l80e in this bitch
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Default 02-26-2014, 03:37 AM

have you tried the alpina B3 one (7615835)?
what do you think compared to the 7603527 one ?


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Default 02-26-2014, 08:57 AM

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have you tried the alpina B3 one (7615835)?
what do you think compared to the 7603527 one ?
I have not tried the Alpina for two reasons:

1. The 2011 Flash gave me the weird tach problem that some people were seeing with the Alpina flash, so I assumed that the Alpina would do the same for me.

2. Based on what people say, the Alpina has the worst "D" mode compared to what I actually want. My main complaint in the first place was that "D" was too reluctant to downshift and shifted too soon/soft.

I do know that 7603527 shifted in M mode extremely well and fast. It was much faster than the 7603541 (and much much faster than stock), but as I said earlier, it gave me the stupid tach problem. It wasn't such a big deal for me though considering I spend most of my time in D.

You have any insight on the DME update fixing the tach issue? How safe is it to do over the Dcan cable with WinKFP? Will I have to re-code anything after the update? Will I have to back anything up before the update?

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Default 02-27-2014, 02:55 AM

for your dme update, you may ask wedge


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Default 03-02-2014, 02:04 PM

7603527 seems to be a pretty good compromise. D mode has slightly faster shifts than OEM but they're maybe a hair less smooth. M mode has fast shifts on PAR with Alpina although you don't get the rev match down shifts which is a bummer.

7615835 Alpina has the awesome M mode with rev matching and fast shifts. But I couldn't live with D mode with the low shift points and reluctance to down shift. That was a deal breaker for me.

7603541 has an M mode that is very similar to 7603527. However, D mode seemed to have slower shifts where you could feel an annoying pause in power delivery between shifts. I know the DME pulls timing between shifts and when the time between shifts is prolonged you really feel this in the seat of the pants.

7601492 OEM is probably the smoothest but I thinks that's because of the slower shifts. Seems like you have to compromise for faster or smoother shifts? M mode is the worst of the bunch because the shifts really aren't that much faster than D mode, and there is more noticeable lag between flicking the shifter or paddle and when the shift initiates so its a double whammy.

If I could have the Alpina M mode, 7603527 D mode speed, with the smoothness of 7601492 D mode that would be ideal in my book. I know that's wishful thinking and apparently there is a ton of encryption on the TCU so I don't know that will every see the ability to tune it or combine the pieces of the options we have. One can only hope!


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Default 03-02-2014, 10:00 PM

try this throttle mapping alongside alpina, I'm using this with stg1 OFT and it's satisfactory in all conditions.

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Default 03-03-2014, 03:44 AM

right.
We may enhance the poor Alpina D mode behaviour with a different throttle mapping, with lower/higher torque request targets at low throttle.


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