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Default 12-25-2017, 01:53 AM

Received everything, connected Tmap and OBD wires, tried on Map1 for 1 month and then played with Map 2,6.I do not see the difference at all, Vbox shows same numbers. Plus now it started to give errors 2b1b2b, 2b18,2b1b.Could you. lease let me know what is wrong?how can I attach logs here?
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Default 12-25-2017, 10:02 AM

You just attach the CSV file from the JB4 to your post.


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Default Logs JB4 X6m 2013 Check engine 002b18 - 12-26-2017, 01:25 PM

Terry , thanks a lot for the reply.Please find attached the logs. I am really sorry if they done not in the format it requested , i recorded for my self during using JB4.

The current state: i was trying to update JB4 through the bluetooth , the process was interrupted and then gave me error.I done disaster recovery and finished update , i do not know if it is effect now the performance of JB4. Now every time on Map 1 RPM goes above 4k with 80-100% throttle , check engine coming and i can hear the misfiring.
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File Type: csv JB Map 01 11 Dec 25 cehck engine.csv (40.0 KB, 24 views)
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Default 12-26-2017, 01:51 PM

What fault codes, exactly?

Are fuel wires attached to DME? Looks like it needs them.


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Default 12-27-2017, 11:08 AM

Will attach the wires, so far was only OBD and tmap.002b18 ~miss fire 3rd cylinder. NO more info in Rheingold, JB4 reading 2b18

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Default 12-28-2017, 12:06 AM

What other mods do you have? What model & heat range of spark plugs?


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Default 12-29-2017, 06:01 AM

X6m Apr 2012 production date , All stock. I used once 1 can of boostane over full tank , guys told me it can mess up with spark plugs, but i do not think so fast. Spark plugs (OEM) and injectors has max 1000km on them

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Default 01-03-2018, 01:14 AM

Connected Fuel wires , same 2b18 error coming . Misfiring 3rd cylinder, weird on new spark plugs...Will try to swap coil and plugs , will see. Is there way to check if JB4 function properly, because after failed update and disaster recovery i have a small doubts (even it is now successfully updated to Ver4.0)?
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Default 01-05-2018, 03:16 AM

Just installed Pure stg2 turbos and JB4 with WM. Previous stage 3 dme tune is damn aggressive 22-24psi. Car moves like crazy.
Thank you m5james for your trick. I was able to rise boost safety from 21psi with F series settings in Bluetooth app. But with running engine can't connect and log properly. No matter how close bluetooth module to mobile is. Now i'm using cable for logging.
The main problem I can not lower boost. Adjusting boost additive and swithing maps just adds throttle closure. Too agressive boost maps on my tune probably. Isn't full boost control on jb4 side?
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Default 01-07-2018, 12:10 PM

Seems a bit wonky on the tuning at lower boost levels, may need a higher JB4 target to run right.


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Default S63 is stuck in transport mode - 03-23-2018, 11:17 AM

My S63 is stuck in transport mode, no fault codes. Menu 4 is 0 (not 2 or 3). It can be adjusted 0-9 but after I go to other points and return to 4 it is still =0.
Manual shifting lets going higher than 4.500 RPM, P and D modes are limited by 4.500. Today's logs attached.
Folks, please advise.
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Default 03-29-2018, 02:58 PM

4/7 for transport mode on the S63.


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Default 04-04-2018, 06:26 PM

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Just installed Pure stg2 turbos and JB4 with WM. Previous stage 3 dme tune is damn aggressive 22-24psi. Car moves like crazy.
Thank you m5james for your trick. I was able to rise boost safety from 21psi with F series settings in Bluetooth app. But with running engine can't connect and log properly. No matter how close bluetooth module to mobile is. Now i'm using cable for logging.
The main problem I can not lower boost. Adjusting boost additive and swithing maps just adds throttle closure. Too agressive boost maps on my tune probably. Isn't full boost control on jb4 side?
You get this sorted out? Oddly if I go anything over 21psi and I'll get a P12A9 overboost codes (Google searches only show a Mini Cooper thread :/ ) and limp mode (almost zero throttle input) that'll only reset via Carista/laptop resetting.


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Default 04-16-2018, 04:23 AM

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You get this sorted out? Oddly if I go anything over 21psi and I'll get a P12A9 overboost codes (Google searches only show a Mini Cooper thread :/ ) and limp mode (almost zero throttle input) that'll only reset via Carista/laptop resetting.
Bluetooth was not connected propertly. Now connection is good. I do not get overboost faults. I think overboost fault is higher on the flash side.
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Default 04-18-2018, 02:13 PM

I understand its not supported but cam someone else help me out.

2010 X5M JB4 install. Steering functions wont work. Cant connect to the JB4 after performing the latest "JB4 S63" software release

(note: jb4 interface latest)
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10605

1a. Checked my com port. PC states USB port "com3"
-jb4 Sofware "com3"
-connection failed

1b. Had issues prior connecting to the jb4 eventually it did. I then performed the latest update to the jb4 ( http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41501 )
-the update failed and automatically restarted. During the second attempt it was successful.

1c. Then at this time I could not connect to the JB4 via PC. Steering functions still don't work.

2a. Installed n63 jb4 "type-A"
( http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41501 )

2b. Installed BCM
( http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...92&postcount=3 )
CONCERN:
Install directions for JB4 N63/S63:

1) Install the TMAP connectors and control box per the n63 Stage1 installation guide: http://www.burgertuning.com/instruct...e1_install.pdf
2) Install the OBDII Cable per the s63tu JB4 guide

I kept the CAN wires tapped in the DME box. ( Im not sure if this is correct)

3a. POWER and GND installed in the 30a fuse, and shock tower bolt. (checked GND and PWR with DVOM. All ok at this time.

Did I brick the JB4 doing the update?

Thanks

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Not sure what to do. Tryed starting the car to get it back to the customer while waiting for an update but it has a code for fuel rail pressure #2

Anything?

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Not sure what to do. Tryed starting the car to get it back to the customer while waiting for an update but it has a code for fuel rail pressure #2

Anything?

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Completely remove the JB4 and give the car back to the customer. If he's breathing down your neck, tell him you cannot run your shop into the ground offering free support for a beta product, regardless of if you recommended the product.



The app says Com 3 because that's what you have it set to in the settings. You need to go to your Device Manager, plug the Jb4 into the computer and see what port it is using. That's likely the root cause of your communications issue.
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Default 04-18-2018, 02:51 PM

Also - it sounds as if you installed the way you are supposed to. CAN wires are in the DME box on that model. If you are getting faults for fuel rail pressure, it's possible that your JB4 settings are causing that I suppose, but I doubt it. Likely something isn't wired properly.


All v8 models have problems with JB4 bluetooth. Some models are worse than others. In my experience, pairing before starting the engine is the best thing to do.

Did you install flex fuel wires? If you did not install flex fuel wires than the fuel rail pressure faults have nothing to do with the JB4. If you did, remove them to rule out the Jb4.
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Default 04-18-2018, 02:55 PM

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I understand its not supported but cam someone else help me out.

2010 X5M JB4 install. Steering functions wont work. Cant connect to the JB4 after performing the latest "JB4 S63" software release

(note: jb4 interface latest)
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10605

1a. Checked my com port. PC states USB port "com3"
-jb4 Sofware "com3"
-connection failed

1b. Had issues prior connecting to the jb4 eventually it did. I then performed the latest update to the jb4 ( http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41501 )
-the update failed and automatically restarted. During the second attempt it was successful.

1c. Then at this time I could not connect to the JB4 via PC. Steering functions still don't work.

2a. Installed n63 jb4 "type-A"
( http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41501 )

2b. Installed BCM
( http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...92&postcount=3 )
CONCERN:
Install directions for JB4 N63/S63:

1) Install the TMAP connectors and control box per the n63 Stage1 installation guide: http://www.burgertuning.com/instruct...e1_install.pdf
2) Install the OBDII Cable per the s63tu JB4 guide

I kept the CAN wires tapped in the DME box. ( Im not sure if this is correct)

3a. POWER and GND installed in the 30a fuse, and shock tower bolt. (checked GND and PWR with DVOM. All ok at this time.

Did I brick the JB4 doing the update?

Thanks

Chris
Lastly, as you continue to work with this BETA product, be sure you understand the differences between an S63 engine and an S63TU engine. Most information you find from burger motorsports will relate to the much more common S63TU engine that is found in the F Chassis vehicles. The earlier S63 engine, well, you're pretty much looking at the thread will all the info in it already. M5James has many threads, I would recommend looking at his account for more reading material.
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Default 04-18-2018, 03:01 PM

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Completely remove the JB4 and give the car back to the customer. If he's breathing down your neck, tell him you cannot run your shop into the ground offering free support for a beta product, regardless of if you recommended the product.



The app says Com 3 because that's what you have it set to in the settings. You need to go to your Device Manager, plug the Jb4 into the computer and see what port it is using. That's likely the root cause of your communications issue.
"Device Manager states COM3"
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Also - it sounds as if you installed the way you are supposed to. CAN wires are in the DME box on that model. If you are getting faults for fuel rail pressure, it's possible that your JB4 settings are causing that I suppose, but I doubt it. Likely something isn't wired properly.


All v8 models have problems with JB4 bluetooth. Some models are worse than others. In my experience, pairing before starting the engine is the best thing to do.

Did you install flex fuel wires? If you did not install flex fuel wires than the fuel rail pressure faults have nothing to do with the JB4. If you did, remove them to rule out the Jb4.
Fuel control: (YES we did. thats what I am looking into now. It states that the N63 and S63 are different. I am still trying to find a definitive answer if the wires are pinned correctly)

Circuit A (purple pair):
Purple female from JB4#9 to DME black connector #45
Purple male from JB4#19 to wire removed above

As for the Bluetooth, we don't use it. To inconsistent
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Default 04-18-2018, 03:06 PM

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"Device Manager states COM3"

If the Device Manager is stating Com 3 (and you are SURE that's the USB that's going on), check your connector and cable. There's nothing else that would stand in the way of you communicating to the JB4. Are you sure the JB4 has power? I would check your switched 12v supply connection to the JB4. Many guys just cram it in to the fuse port, I would actually go get an add-a-fuse circuit or similar to avoid headache.
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Fuel control: (YES we did. thats what I am looking into now. It states that the N63 and S63 are different. I am still trying to find a definitive answer if the wires are pinned correctly)

Circuit A (purple pair):
Purple female from JB4#9 to DME black connector #45
Purple male from JB4#19 to wire removed above

As for the Bluetooth, we don't use it. To inconsistent

Perfect, I can't remember for sure but I believe the N63 and S63 fuel wires go into the same spot as long as they are both using MSD85 (your model year should have this dme). You can always use Alldata or similar to see what wires are what.


Good call on the bluetooth.
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Default 04-18-2018, 03:13 PM

Knowing this is a BETA product that is no longer supported this is what the customer wanted.

3a. POWER and GND installed in the 30a fuse, and shock tower bolt. (checked GND and PWR with DVOM. All ok at this time.

The frustrating part is that I have been doing this for 3 days now I even tried to upload the software prior to calling the customer in. EG:

Supplied power and GND to the JB4 (as if key on) and then Connected it VIA USB to the computer. I got nothing. I contacted Burger and they said install it and then update. We still have the same problem, thus my concern from 3 days ago.

My though is the same as yours. If its key on and usb is connected. Then I should be able to update the JB4.

(note: I also tried the app on my phone to connect and nothing)
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If the Device Manager is stating Com 3 (and you are SURE that's the USB that's going on), check your connector and cable. There's nothing else that would stand in the way of you communicating to the JB4. Are you sure the JB4 has power? I would check your switched 12v supply connection to the JB4. Many guys just cram it in to the fuse port, I would actually go get an add-a-fuse circuit or similar to avoid headache.
Its the only USB in the computer lol
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