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Default take a look please guys - 11-25-2015, 09:17 AM

Do we still need to adjust DB's with MHD flash?
Boost gets on Target hella fast but car still feels laggy.

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2000 65
2500 65
3000 65
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Default 11-25-2015, 01:22 PM

I'd just like to throw in too that FUD 95 is great. Haven't looked at logs yet but it feels nice.
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Default 11-25-2015, 02:33 PM

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Do we still need to adjust DB's with MHD flash?
Boost gets on Target hella fast but car still feels laggy.

Current DB's

1500 65
2000 65
2500 65
3000 65
3500 60
4000 60
4500 60
5000 55
5500 50
6000 50
6500 45
7000 40
targeting looks good here. Just be aware next release FUD=95 logic will be by default and these duty bias values will need to change. I'll put some examples when we post the firmware.


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Just be aware next release FUD=95 logic will be by default.
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Default 11-28-2015, 06:40 AM

Hi Terry, just to clarify a few points for beginners.

When setting FUD=95 the DB should start at say 60 and go up in increments of 2. Does that mean 60, 62, 64 etc..

Also once we log in 3rd WOT what in the log shows me the FF and DB are following each other?

Logs look like Chinese text to me at the moment. Learning as fast as possible.

I'm using the mhd pump flash. 93ron and my mods are in the signature.

I'll log once I have understood how FUD=95 works

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Default 11-28-2015, 09:58 AM

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Do we still need to adjust DB's with MHD flash?
Boost gets on Target hella fast but car still feels laggy.
You've got some issues with your log:
  1. You're running firmware 31.2, which is currently at 31.7
  2. You're not using FUD = 95 (you need 31.4 to do that)
  3. Your AFR1 is extremely inconsistent from 3,500 - 4,500 RPM. You might have an issue with your injectors or your meth flow/distribution. Try logging with meth turned off at a lower boost.


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Hi Terry, just to clarify a few points for beginners.

When setting FUD=95 the DB should start at say 60 and go up in increments of 2. Does that mean 60, 62, 64 etc..

Also once we log in 3rd WOT what in the log shows me the FF and DB are following each other?

Logs look like Chinese text to me at the moment. Learning as fast as possible.

I'm using the mhd pump flash. 93ron and my mods are in the signature.

I'll log once I have understood how FUD=95 works

Thanks
You're not going to hurt anything by trying different settings. There are so many failsafes with the JB4 and DME.

Just try some settings and post logs in the Support section. You will be helped


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Default 11-28-2015, 12:34 PM

Some changes you guys might also want to test out.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...ostcount=10042


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Some changes you guys might also want to test out.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...ostcount=10042
I like! Will test out in the next day or two.


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Default Jb4 RB Turbo 3.5tmap sensor help - 11-30-2015, 08:46 PM

Hi guys my name is Sergio and this is my first day on the forums. I am from Vancouver BC and I have a 2007 bmw 335i coupe. I have a few questions and im really hoping someone can answer them for me. My current performance mods list on my car are as follows:

Mecht Schnell 3 *********
Agency Power Full ******* Exhaust with Muffler Delete
JB4 G5 ISO Board
JB4 Mhd e85 Flash
BMS Methanol Injection Kit 2 CM10 Meth Bungs
Inline Walbro LPFP Stage 1
Injen Dual Cone Cold Air Intake
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ETS 7 Intercooler
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Synapse BOV
KW V2 Coilovers
M3 Full Kit Control Arms Front and Rear
H and R Sway Bars
ECS Strut Bar
Cusco Rear Strut Bar
255/30 Yokohoma Ad08r Front
295/35 Yokohoma Ad08r Rear
VS Work Rims

All other body mods not included cuz they make no difference to my performance.

So currently I am running a jb4 with an mhd e85 flash with dual cm 10 nozzle meth set up with boost juice at 75 additive.

I dynoed in at 447 whp and 483 torque at 20 psi.

So i am very happy with the results but now I am planning on doing a turbo upgrade to either the RB Super Stealths or the RB Super Evo. I talked to Rob and he suggests I go with the stealths cuz i do not want to run 100% e85 cuz its limited in vancouver we only have 2 e85 stations in all of canada. So e50 blend with dual cm 10 meth nozzles is all i need.

So these are my questions that im hoping someone has the patience and knowledge to answer.

1. The oem tmap sensor only reads about 21psi so with new upgraded turbos il need the 3.5 tmap sensor so it read up to 36 psi. After I install it i know to change the N20/tmap on the jb4 app to 1, and set all duty biased to 65 or 70. So now lets say i do all that and the tmap will be engaged and I know it will change the values on my fuel boost guage. What will my new reading be since now my half tank is 10 psi and full tank is 20psi what will it read with the new tmap sensor???

2. How do guys run up to 25 psi with the new tmap sensor on map 3 with methanol? Currently map 3 is about 13 psi and a 75 additive give it about 20 to 20.5 psi. So with the new tmap sensor how do i get 25 psi on map 3 when the max additive is only 75 and even if the additive was 100 it would still only get to me 22.5 psi. Do the boost values change for each map with the new tmap sensor or do the boost values change with the new MHD Hybrid e85 flash. So for example map 1 is now at 13 psi but with new Hybrid flash and tmap itl read 17 psi and map 2 is 14.5 and itl read 19 psi while map 7 can read 24 psi? How do you run 25 psi or more without going into map 6 which is custom cuz i want to always have the failsafe with my meth and its only on map 3.

3. My goal was originally to go with the single set up but it like 11k canadian which is to much so the twin upgrade like the stealths or evo is way more affordable for more than half the price. My question is with my current mod list and fueling would i be capable of hit 630+WHP with the stealths or the evos cuz Rob at rb turbos said his new gen 2 are already strong enough to hit over 630 whp so its just crazy to hear that . So im looking for advice what you guys recommend cuz i definitely need the inlets.

4. I noticed on the MHD jb4 flash that there is only one kind of flash for the hybrids and its with the e85. Is there a flash that is Hybrid on race fuel flash or Pump Hybrid Flash?

5. Do the stealths and the evo turbos still considered as hybrids turbos or will Terry set up a completely seperate flash for these new turbos?

Please guys help me understand this as im new to this and i would love to understand as to how the tmap works and how it adjusts all the boost values on all maps etc. Thank you so much for your advice in advance.
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With the 3.5bar TMAP the in dash boost gauges reads up to the selected boost safety value you enter under user adjustment. Map1 becomes 15psi, map2 17psi, and map3 changes to allow up to 26psi under progressive meth with a high additive.

Note just because you can run a lot of boost doesn't mean you should. You'll want to evaluate your logs to determine if the octane and fueling is sufficent.

The hybrid map is E85 specific. If not using E85 use the RACE flash.


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Default 11-30-2015, 11:33 PM

Thank u terry so much for responding i understand now how i works. How does the meth additive work with map 7 or map 6? If lets say i put 22 psi across the board on map 6 with new turbos and logs look great how do i add meth to map 6 or 7? Do i put an additive of max 40 which targets 4 psi more which brings map 6 to 26 psi?
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Also r there any hpfp upgrades u can think of that can support higher psi levels and whp levels without converting to port injection? N i completely agree with u that higher psi doesnt mean better or more power and logs will show everything and i will start addititive of 40 with the new turbos and mhd hybrid e85. Ur the best terry thank u for ur help.
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yup already replaced injectors
Thinking my cm10 is clogged or Steve was saying my meth mix was to high for the scalar causing tirms to tank therefor pulling afr on bank1
Please let me know your thoughts

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You've got some issues with your log:
  1. You're running firmware 31.2, which is currently at 31.7
  2. You're not using FUD = 95 (you need 31.4 to do that)
  3. Your AFR1 is extremely inconsistent from 3,500 - 4,500 RPM. You might have an issue with your injectors or your meth flow/distribution. Try logging with meth turned off at a lower boost.



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Default 12-05-2015, 11:24 AM

Just updated to 31.8,
I'm not clear on what FU(d) does.
If I enter 95 will a pre-set range of values be entered for me by default?
or does entering 95 let me manually set DB's?
after enter 95 into FU (d) nothing happened to the DB's I had set.



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FUD 95 requires duty bias to be set manually by RPM. With hybrids you get smoother boost performance that way but you need to follow the duty bias tuning directions.


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What happens if FUD is left blank?



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What happens if FUD is left blank?
FUD=0 means the various FutureUseD options are not enabled.


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Hi guys my name is Sergio and this is my first day on the forums. I am from Vancouver BC and I have a 2007 bmw 335i coupe. I have a few questions and im really hoping someone can answer them for me. My current performance mods list on my car are as follows:

Mecht Schnell 3 *********
Agency Power Full ******* Exhaust with Muffler Delete
JB4 G5 ISO Board
JB4 Mhd e85 Flash
BMS Methanol Injection Kit 2 CM10 Meth Bungs
Inline Walbro LPFP Stage 1
Injen Dual Cone Cold Air Intake
BMS Oil Catch Can
ETS 7 Intercooler
ETS Charge Pipe
Synapse BOV
KW V2 Coilovers
M3 Full Kit Control Arms Front and Rear
H and R Sway Bars
ECS Strut Bar
Cusco Rear Strut Bar
255/30 Yokohoma Ad08r Front
295/35 Yokohoma Ad08r Rear
VS Work Rims

All other body mods not included cuz they make no difference to my performance.

So currently I am running a jb4 with an mhd e85 flash with dual cm 10 nozzle meth set up with boost juice at 75 additive.

I dynoed in at 447 whp and 483 torque at 20 psi.

So i am very happy with the results but now I am planning on doing a turbo upgrade to either the RB Super Stealths or the RB Super Evo. I talked to Rob and he suggests I go with the stealths cuz i do not want to run 100% e85 cuz its limited in vancouver we only have 2 e85 stations in all of canada. So e50 blend with dual cm 10 meth nozzles is all i need.

So these are my questions that im hoping someone has the patience and knowledge to answer.

1. The oem tmap sensor only reads about 21psi so with new upgraded turbos il need the 3.5 tmap sensor so it read up to 36 psi. After I install it i know to change the N20/tmap on the jb4 app to 1, and set all duty biased to 65 or 70. So now lets say i do all that and the tmap will be engaged and I know it will change the values on my fuel boost guage. What will my new reading be since now my half tank is 10 psi and full tank is 20psi what will it read with the new tmap sensor???

2. How do guys run up to 25 psi with the new tmap sensor on map 3 with methanol? Currently map 3 is about 13 psi and a 75 additive give it about 20 to 20.5 psi. So with the new tmap sensor how do i get 25 psi on map 3 when the max additive is only 75 and even if the additive was 100 it would still only get to me 22.5 psi. Do the boost values change for each map with the new tmap sensor or do the boost values change with the new MHD Hybrid e85 flash. So for example map 1 is now at 13 psi but with new Hybrid flash and tmap itl read 17 psi and map 2 is 14.5 and itl read 19 psi while map 7 can read 24 psi? How do you run 25 psi or more without going into map 6 which is custom cuz i want to always have the failsafe with my meth and its only on map 3.

3. My goal was originally to go with the single set up but it like 11k canadian which is to much so the twin upgrade like the stealths or evo is way more affordable for more than half the price. My question is with my current mod list and fueling would i be capable of hit 630+WHP with the stealths or the evos cuz Rob at rb turbos said his new gen 2 are already strong enough to hit over 630 whp so its just crazy to hear that . So im looking for advice what you guys recommend cuz i definitely need the inlets.

4. I noticed on the MHD jb4 flash that there is only one kind of flash for the hybrids and its with the e85. Is there a flash that is Hybrid on race fuel flash or Pump Hybrid Flash?

5. Do the stealths and the evo turbos still considered as hybrids turbos or will Terry set up a completely seperate flash for these new turbos?

Please guys help me understand this as im new to this and i would love to understand as to how the tmap works and how it adjusts all the boost values on all maps etc. Thank you so much for your advice in advance.
I've got some similar questions that I'm sure seem really obvious to you guys that are more familiar with these tuning options. Car is FBO E93 with JB4, 455walbro LPFP, and vargas stage2s installed over the weekend. I've been babying the car all week while researching to make sure I have it set up properly and don't break anything. My MHD stuff gets delivered tomorrow, so I'm hoping you guys can shed some light on my confusion and help me get off on the right foot. Please use small words-I'm a fabricator and scared of electronics

To clarify-HYBRID E85 map is obvious, but for 93 I should be using the PUMP or RACE map? For heavy ethanol mixes when using HYBRID E85 backend, should I still use map 5 (like I've done with stock DME flash and turbos), or does having that backend flash mean I can use other maps?

What is FutureUseD and why do I want it? lol

I see you guys talking about turning boost up and down-How is this done outside of just switching maps on the JB4? Does the N2O tmap/adapter raise boost on its own or just allow it to be raised by changing some parameter?

Please pardon my ignorance, I'm trying to catch up. Thanks all!


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If you don't know what FutureUseD is then I think its best to find a professional to help you setup your vehicle with hybrid turbos. A certain minimal level of knowledge is required to setup a hybrid turbo application including doing and reading logs, adjusting duty bias, etc, and while it's not difficult stuff a basic knowledge level is required. We will help remotely via the support forum where we can but there is no replacement for a good tuner on hand when it comes to initial setup.


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Thanks for the response Terry. And thanks also for your continued support of this platform. We wouldn't have access to all these cool toys without your work. That said-I work in motorsports and have access to professional tuners (I'm sitting 10ft from our dyno now), but I really want to figure this out on my own, for the sake of my own knowledge. I understand the very basics, and I'll learn the trickier bits when I get there. For now, I'm just looking to clarify a few things to get the car setup to run safely. I Managed to find another thread that will help me out with the FUD stuff, so for now if you guys can clear me up on the backend flash questions I'd appreciate it. I'll join the discussion competently soon! Thanks


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For 93 octane you'll use the PUMP flash with or without hybrids. The JB4 mapping will greatly depend on the fuel quality. I'd start with something mild like map2 (17psi peak) and evaluate your logs from there if on pump.


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Great. Thanks!


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Default hybrid setup - 01-23-2016, 12:32 AM

Looking for some help on which back end flash I should be using for this setup with 94 octane. Also I believe from reading multiple post that I should be using the MHD software instead of the bimmer boost with a Bavarian software technic cable. The list of parts being installed are on a 2008 BMW 135I auto.(rb pcv, pure stage2 turbos, bms dual intake, n54 3inch down pipe, er charge pipe with tial bov/meth bung, er comp front mount inter cooler, wave trac lsd, bms occ, vargas intake tubes and bms meth kit with fsb.
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Default 02-02-2016, 05:24 PM

Hey guys,

Have some new promising VANOS logic for spool up I need some help testing with various hybrid turbos. If you have some time drop me an email!


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