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Default AD Engineering 4L80E Trans Kit Review - 03-15-2017, 02:38 AM

I'm sure a lot of you know the struggles I've gone through with trans options on this platform. Little backstory on the trans options I've run so far.

Stock 6AT
Ran with the stock trans (Alpina flash though) for my entire time as a stock turbo car. Made something like 430whp for a year or so with no issues. Eventually did a single turbo build and the trans held that for a few months at 629whp before it finally gave.

Level 10 "1000hp" "build"
I can't even say enough negative stuff about this setup or the company, but I have a review thread and teardown of what their build includes somewhere on here. Short version is it was useless.

Stock 6MT w/Spec Stage 3+ clutch and SMFW
Ran this setup with varying power levels between 700whp and 800+whp. This setup takes the abuse REALLY well except when launching. In a 135i we don't have nice options for a beefed up manual driveshaft or rear yet. One of the few times I tried to launch hard on this setup I sheered off the end of my driveshaft in the rear. Never did it again after that.



This brings us to the newest trans option which I have a lot of faith in. AD Engineering has come up with a kit to bring all the goodness of the GM trans world to us.

The kit I bought included:
Ford 8.8 Rear
DSS Axles
4L80E w/custom bellhousing
Aluminum driveshaft

Install went pretty smooth. Rear bolted right in and the trans mates up to the engine great. Only modification needed was to cut a little bit out of the tunnel, tweak it, and weld it back in. I'll get pics of this tomorrow. Oh I also needed to have the driveshaft shortened a bit due to me being a 135 instead of a 335, but that was no big deal. The build quality of this kit is absolutely top notch as are all of the products I've received from ADE.

As for the trans controller, I decided to go with the TCI EZ TCU. As we get this project buttoned up I'll provide more info and some videos.

Update 3-15-17:
Car is basically done, just need to wire up the reverse lights. We were able to test it on the rack yesterday and everything is functional (performance mode, manual shifting through all gears, etc.). Ended up needing to add a switch to make the car think the clutch is engaged (for starting). We could have done something like tie it into the brake switch, but I didn't want to chance any weird behavior when brake-boosting. The TCU is mounted behind the AC controls which is a damn near perfect fit. I should be picking it up today. Once I get it back I'll be spending some time getting the gear calculations worked out in the flash so the ECU knows what gear it is in (mainly needed for things like boost limits/gear). In the pic of the 2 switches the red one is the clutch switch and the gray one is for the line lock.

Install notes:
*Use a toggle switch to simulate the clutch signal to the CAS (for starting).

*Leave clutch wiring hooked up so DME doesn't think clutch is always depressed.

*To use paddles, we did a bit of custom wiring in the steering wheel. Up/down shift wires were cut coming out of the back of the steering wheel and that wiring was run to the TCU.

*RPM signal was retrieved through the wire at the OBDII port.

*TPS Signal from DME grey connector position 20.

*Posi-taps make like MUCH easier.





















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Default 03-15-2017, 02:58 AM

Curious to see how the car will do once it's up and running. Good luck! Hope it will be great.


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Default 03-15-2017, 03:03 AM

will be interesting to see how this option performs. It'll either be awesome or another big n54 automatic trans flop.....hopeful it will be the former rather than the latter.


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Originally Posted by Dmac @ BMS/DMD

The kit I bought included:
Ford 8.8 Rear
DSS Axles
4L80E w/custom bellhousing
Aluminum driveshaft
Forgive my ignorance I'm just trying to better understand what you did here. To clarify: The kit you bought from AD included the 8.8 rear into a pumpkin that kits into our cars, with axles, DS, and a unmodified 4L80E transmission in a bell housing that will mate up to the N54?

I'm afraid to ask, but how much did this cost?


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Default 03-15-2017, 07:14 AM

Looks great! Curious to see how it performs.


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will be interesting to see how this option performs. It'll either be awesome or another big n54 automatic trans flop.....hopeful it will be the former rather than the latter.
I am not sure I follow here. This is literally the same trans that propels GM cars down the strip 6 sec 1/4 passes, with prob not quite as beefy internals, with all the parts needed to make it work, including a controller that can control it. There is no guess work here. This is a bad ass kit, and once done. This will be the fastest N54 in the land I have no doubt, well except maybe captain slushie with his 2 speed slush box, that you can't drive on the freeway. Excited to see someone pulled the trigger, and got all this installed. Did you get a transbrake in your tranny?


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Default 03-15-2017, 08:57 AM

The 4L80E is a great option, as long as you're are okay going from a 6 speed to a 4 speed and can take a small hit in fuel economy.

There are MANY 4L80E builders out there that can make this a 1200+hp capable transmission, and it will still cost you far less than a Nizpro 6HP21. Or if you're a DIY person, they are not too hard to upgrade yourself. I built a ~1000hp unit myself for my turbo silverado.

A lot of work went into this kit, especially on the new bellhousing option.

Looking forward to results!


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Default 03-15-2017, 09:06 AM

Bad-ass... If it works out I'll have to MT->4L80E swap our white 135i too.


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Default 03-15-2017, 09:08 AM

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I am not sure I follow here. This is literally the same trans that propels GM cars down the strip 6 sec 1/4 passes, with prob not quite as beefy internals, with all the parts needed to make it work, including a controller that can control it. There is no guess work here. This is a bad ass kit, and once done. This will be the fastest N54 in the land I have no doubt, well except maybe captain slushie with his 2 speed slush box, that you can't drive on the freeway. Excited to see someone pulled the trigger, and got all this installed.
I said that be because the OP hasnt had great luck with previous auto transmissions. I am hoping it has the same success as on other platforms, Tony.


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Default 03-15-2017, 09:28 AM

Sweet! 4L80e has a lot of loss in standard form. But I've talked to drag guys that are keeping the converter locked after they get off the line, and keeping it locked through shifts! (With a built trans of course.) Microsquirt is another great option for fine tuned control!

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...0e-subharness/

This setup opens up a lot of options! Very cool!
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Default 03-15-2017, 09:32 AM

Yes always need to lockup the converter at least in 3rd gear.


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Default 03-15-2017, 11:49 AM

Does this bring about stall converter options, or is higher stall not necessary on a turbo car?


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Default 03-15-2017, 12:03 PM

amazing i cant wait for my rear end to get delivered.... and yes lock up TC starting from 3rd until end of run for optimal power output, for daily use, locking it up in the first few gears is "ideal" not my cup of tea tho


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Default 03-15-2017, 12:07 PM

Sweeet. Personally have seen these hold north of 2000hp and tq in a cummins daily driven. Great to see it behind a N54
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This seems like a breath of fresh air for the platform. Nice going Dmac.


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Any links to the product or is this a beta product right now?
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amazing i cant wait for my rear end to get delivered.... and yes lock up TC starting from 3rd until end of run for optimal power output, for daily use, locking it up in the first few gears is "ideal" not my cup of tea tho
Awesome! So this does this mean you will actually make it to races you called me out to race, or you are going to go 0-3 on us showing up to race, you texting Chris with excuses on why you, nor the car is present?


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Default 03-15-2017, 05:34 PM

Excited to see some track times!


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How soon till we get to see some 1/4 and half mile numbers. This should be good.
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Default 03-16-2017, 05:34 AM

Original post updated with stuff from yesterday.

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Forgive my ignorance I'm just trying to better understand what you did here. To clarify: The kit you bought from AD included the 8.8 rear into a pumpkin that kits into our cars, with axles, DS, and a unmodified 4L80E transmission in a bell housing that will mate up to the N54?

I'm afraid to ask, but how much did this cost?
Basically. Kit has custom brackets for everything.

I'm not actually sure at this point haha. I'll have to go back and look at my transactions.

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Does this bring about stall converter options, or is higher stall not necessary on a turbo car?
It definitely feels like it has a pretty high stall, but I'll know more once I start driving it around.

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I am not sure I follow here. This is literally the same trans that propels GM cars down the strip 6 sec 1/4 passes, with prob not quite as beefy internals, with all the parts needed to make it work, including a controller that can control it. There is no guess work here. This is a bad ass kit, and once done. This will be the fastest N54 in the land I have no doubt, well except maybe captain slushie with his 2 speed slush box, that you can't drive on the freeway. Excited to see someone pulled the trigger, and got all this installed. Did you get a transbrake in your tranny?
No trans brake yet as most of the kits I've seen use a manual valvebody which I'd like to avoid.

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How soon till we get to see some 1/4 and half mile numbers. This should be good.
As soon as I get the gear calculations worked out and we have a nice weekend here in KY, I'll be at the track.


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This is pretty bad ass man!
Please let me know when your going to hit the track. I am just south of Cincinnati and would try and make a trip to see what this thing can do in person!!!


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This is pretty bad ass man!
Please let me know when your going to hit the track. I am just south of Cincinnati and would try and make a trip to see what this thing can do in person!!!
Will do! I'm in Winchester and usually go to Mountain Park Dragway in Clay City. Like an hour and a half south of Cincy.


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Will do! I'm in Winchester and usually go to Mountain Park Dragway in Clay City. Like an hour and a half south of Cincy.
Hell yeah man! Good luck.


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so much YESSSSS! Good luck
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Default 03-16-2017, 02:04 PM

Got it back today. Definitely going to take some getting used to, but man is this thing going to be a fun track car. Not really a need for anti-lag for rolls anymore as the high stall gives 16+psi damn near instantly.

Short video of a test hit on wastegate (~17psi).
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