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This thread is to discuss and share results on the N63 JB4 BETA

Note this thread applies to the n63 engine only and DOES NOT apply to the n63tu which uses twin DMEs.


Map Guide:

For now we only want users to run map1 (pump gas tuning) or map4 (stock) while we evaluate tuning data over a wider range of conditions.

Dyno results:

Just got back from some dyno tuning with our 2011 550. The car is unmodified other than the new development JB4 system. Testing was done on 5 gallons of E85 with the rest 91 octane. Around an E30 mixture. These are the preliminary results from today. Power was right about as expected. With a little stronger E85 mix, colder weather, and a little more boost I expect 520whp will be possible on factory turbos! This takes the n63 platform to "untuned" M5 levels. Not bad considering.

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n63 JB4 MAP GUIDE:

Map 0: JB4 disabled
Map 1: 4psi over stock additive
Map 2: 6psi over stock additive
Map 3: Undefined
Map 4: Stock map w/ CANbus enabled
Map 5: Undefined
Map 6: User defigned boost additive map. Enter boost over stock values to use. Requires experienced tuner.
Map 7: Undefined
Map 8: Undefined

Firmware Updates:

JB4_N63_OBDII_3_T2:

1) Moved bank2 boost from "timing avg" to "boost2" in interface and logs.
2) Added scaling adjustment to compensate for bank to bank boost variances under "6cyl timing". Setting to 0 disables. Setting to 50 is no compensation. Lower than 50 will raise boost in bank2 relative to bank1, while higher than 50 will lower boost in bank2 relative to bank1.

Current dash settings as of OBDII v1 firmware for non-X5 models:

'***************************************
'OBDII In Dash Menu
'***************************************

'0 map menu, map shown on tach (TACH shows Map)
'1 Unused
'2 Boost gauge on fuel, scaling in dash is 0 to boost safety setting, turns on when gas pedal is pressed 50% or more and turns itself off when you resume low throttle use. (OFF tach = 0, ON tach = 1000)
'3 Unused
'4 Delete fault codes.
'5 1st gear boost limiter. (Tach = boost cap / 3)
'6 2nd gear boost limiter. (Tach = boost cap / 3)
'7 3rd gear boost limiter. (Tach = boost cap / 3)

Basic overview of the wheel controls:


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Default 06-27-2016, 01:27 PM

Here is a comparison to our previous best using the Stage2 system.
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Default 07-13-2016, 01:37 AM

So if I install the jb4 do I just choose the best map by trying it out and it'll have more power than stock? or do I have to play around with settings and such and thats the difference between stage 2 and jb4? sorry im new to this
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Here is a comparison to our previous best using the Stage2 system.
Which map were you running?


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Default 06-27-2016, 01:52 PM

We've changed around the N63 JB4 so add on fuel wires and add on BCM are no longer offered, supported. The only connections that should be installed are TMAP connections and OBDII for CANbus for non-X5 models or CANwires in ECU box via posi-taps for X5 models. If your system is equipped with extra wires just tuck them out of the way they are no longer supported.



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Default Installation BCM - 07-15-2016, 07:20 AM

Hi Steve.
I just received the BCM but there is no red wire to connect to 12v and I can't find where I have to install the remain wires.

Could you help me?

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Default E85 Questions - 07-15-2016, 09:42 AM

Really excited about this new upgrade for our cars, but am a bit confused about the E85 setup.

Can we run E85 on any of the maps without the BCM? What is the optimal mixture percentage?

Is the BCM available? Is it the same as the M5/M6 BCM on the site or are we waiting for something new?
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Default 06-27-2016, 01:58 PM

Awesome stuff


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Default 06-27-2016, 02:10 PM

Sure, after I get rid of the 7 the big power comes. Is there going to be a JB4 for the TU? I can't bring myself to buy another BMW out of warranty.

EDIT: Or better yet, is the S63 one going to support the new X5Ms? No sense in having a 600hp sedan when you can have an 800hp SUV.


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Default 06-27-2016, 03:44 PM

Wow, as a Stage 2 owner, I'm completely psyched.

If we're using a max of regular 93 octane, the BCM module would be unnecessary then?

Thanks Terry.


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Default 06-27-2016, 05:17 PM

Yes the BCM and even the fuel wires don't need to be installed for just 93 octane.


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Default 06-30-2016, 09:55 AM

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Yes the BCM and even the fuel wires don't need to be installed for just 93 octane.
So on 93, you would expect current Stg 2 power levels (i.e. from my Stg 2 box) but with the convenience of CANBUS features.

Or is there a little bit more power in there without the fuel wires or BCM?


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Default 06-27-2016, 06:48 PM

timeframe of when this will be available?
I know this will be a FAQ, if we purchased stage 2 used, will we still be able to fall under the stage 1 upgrade category? or have to pay full purchase price?
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Should be able to ship some early units this week.

For non-original purchasers you can still upgrade, you just get to pay the $350, like a Stage1->JB4 upgrade.


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Default 06-27-2016, 07:58 PM

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Should be able to ship some early units this week.

For non-original purchasers you can still upgrade, you just get to pay the $350, like a Stage1->JB4 upgrade.
Nice!! Can't wait to purchase, will go nice with my AA cattless **, Badblack N63 CAIntake, custom straight/h-pipe exhaust, and replacing my current BMS N63 Stage 2

Too bad I'm in Southern California though, so i'll have to figure out how to get it shipped to me from another state.

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Should be able to ship some early units this week.

For non-original purchasers you can still upgrade, you just get to pay the $350, like a Stage1->JB4 upgrade.
i have the jb plus for the n63tu engine
will i get some discount for upgrade to jb4 n63tu?
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i have the jb plus for the n63tu engine
will i get some discount for upgrade to jb4 n63tu?
I don't know what we're going to do for that on the n63tu, since they are completely different systems. We'll probably allow a partial trade in credit though to original purchasers of our n63tu Stage1 system.


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I don't know what we're going to do for that on the n63tu, since they are completely different systems. We'll probably allow a partial trade in credit though to original purchasers of our n63tu Stage1 system.
Ok....
are you going to produce meth injections for it right?
One more question...we can run on e30 with the stock fuel pump?!
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Default 06-27-2016, 08:07 PM

So I just picked up a 550xi which has the Dinan intake and exhaust setup, and just found out today that it also has the Dinan stage 4 tune. Would I benefit at all from the JB4, and if so, should I be getting this flashed back to stock? The Dinan stage 4, with these mods claims 507/580 crank hp/torque. What do you think I'd see compared to the JB4 on 92 (Oregon) pump? Would love to run a JB, as we previously come from the 335 world.

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Default 06-28-2016, 11:59 PM

I have a stage 1.

Is this new stage 2 different from the old stage 2?

If so, does it run safer than the old stage 2? (coil or maf going bad)

Is it worth it to upgrade to this new stage 2 if we plan on running 93 most of the time?


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Default 06-29-2016, 01:55 PM

I'm really glad i waited to pull the trigger on the S2 module. Terry, two questions:

Any reason this won't work on an X5 (N63)?

Also, if one plans to be on 91 oct most of the time, does the S3+BCM help at all?


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Default 06-29-2016, 01:59 PM

For 91 octane zero need for BCM. Probably no need on 93 octane either. That's mainly for E85 and race gas mixtures.

On the X5 N63 support we don't have one here for development. I suspect it will work normally as is or with some minor firmware changes.


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Just don't know yet. It's early days...


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Default 07-03-2016, 05:28 PM

This is awesome news!! Will there be a CANflap option with this?
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