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Default 07-28-2020, 09:17 PM

Map 6 with and without meth with 75 meth add look almost identical to me
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Default 07-29-2020, 04:27 AM

You may not directly see the benefit of the meth in the logs because:
A) we don't have the ability to truly monitor knock.
B) we don't have the ability to monitor charge air temperatures. Even if we could it depends on where you inject.
C) you may have enough octane for a map 6 no meth for a couple gear pull, etc. But when really pushing the car or running 1/4 mile or high speed rolls, having the WMI could be the difference between detonation and fun


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Default 07-29-2020, 05:19 AM

Ah makes sense.

Yea i just thought there would be timing advance similar to using e85 or something which gets a nice bump in power


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Ah makes sense.

Yea i just thought there would be timing advance similar to using e85 or something which gets a nice bump in power
Even with E85, if you're on a stock tune, the car will command the same timing for a given boost regardless of octane assuming no knock.


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Default 07-29-2020, 04:40 PM

With a E30ish Fuel Blend - but before I upgraded my fuel pumps - I was maxing out my fuel trims. By moving to BM7s and even to PM8s I was able to get some fuel trim relief. After my injector failures and fuel pump upgrades - fuel trims are not an issue and I went back to the BM5s.


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Default 07-29-2020, 04:44 PM

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Map 6 with and without meth with 75 meth add look almost identical to me
0-60mph runs are not really enough to look at data like this. Need to get up to higher speeds IMHO.


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With a E30ish Fuel Blend - but before I upgraded my fuel pumps - I was maxing out my fuel trims. By moving to BM7s and even to PM8s I was able to get some fuel trim relief. After my injector failures and fuel pump upgrades - fuel trims are not an issue and I went back to the BM5s.
Ah makes sense. What # should i look for to know whether the trims are maxed?

Heres a few runs, unfo only 0-60s for now.

203105 was map 6 w meth map 1 at 75 add
204209 and 204329 are same but 80 meth add

Weird thing is the 80s two runs both have trims stuck at 25, whereas the 75 has a more normal looking variable trim. Any idea whats up with that?

Also, do the 80 maps look ok? Do u think i can safely try meth add 85?
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Default 07-30-2020, 06:10 AM

It looks like all three logs are Map 6

As I remember, when you see Trims at 44 - that's maxed out.

Also, keep an eye on Ign_1 numbers - except for gear shifting, it is not a good sign when your numbers suddenly drop to 0 and then pick back up with a constant pedal / RPM increase. That is indicative of knock being detected and the ECM pulling timing. This would suggest too much boost for the fuel's effective octane.

The best logs to get are 3rd to 4th gear WOT pulls (say getting onto a highway for example.)


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Default 07-30-2020, 08:50 AM

Ok ill look out for that. The ign1 looked fine to me on these runs.

And yes they were all map 6, but with difft meth add #s, i.e. 75 then 80.

I will see about doing a few runs on a highway to check them before trying meth add 85.

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Default 07-31-2020, 07:01 AM

Heres a longer run map 6 w meth add 80. Seems like my truns are maxing, but ign1 seems fine
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Default 07-31-2020, 07:50 AM

Are you using Boost Juice or something else? Your AFR numbers are in the low-mid 12's here and there - getting a bit lean. Boost Juice is a 49 Meth / 51 water mix. It might be interesting to see what a bit more WM volume would do to your AFR numbers - say moving up to the BM7 nozzles. Otherwise how does it feel?


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Default 07-31-2020, 07:58 AM

I think the log looks good. AFR's richen up in 3rd and look ok in 4th. Depending on where you live you might be able to add another couple psi, but the log looks really good to me.


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Default 07-31-2020, 02:06 PM

Sweet, thx Ddn. Map 6 w meth is starting to feel like my map 6 without meth since ive increased meth add to 85, but no logs yet.

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Default 08-01-2020, 08:28 PM

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How high did you end up going in the bm5s?
Before my fuel system upgrade I was maxing out my trims with a Meth Add at 75 (I was also running back then a E30ish fuel blend.) I upgraded my nozzles all the way to ProMeth (PM8s) and trims were still at or just below maxed out when running a E blend fuel. Hence I upgraded my LPFP and got some relief. When I upgraded my HPFP, I lost my injectors - may or may not have been related to the HPFP and/or the fact I had been running E fuel blends?!?) Post my EcuTek tune - I do not see fuel trims much above 30.


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Default 08-02-2020, 10:41 AM

Hm interesting, how does the car feel since the ecutek tune? Also, whats your meth add now with the tune, or do you only use it as extra insurance?

Heres 2 logs on map 6 meth add 85, looks ok to me, but i await the opinion of the experts
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Default 08-03-2020, 07:24 PM

Upgrading the HPFP is what pushed the have to button on the EcuTek tune. The stock tune doesnt play well with the upgrade - stock injectors as well?!?

Car drove good before and a bit better with the tune. As the tune covers everything but WMI control - thats why I have the JB4 still in place. I also like the JB4 logging over ECU Connect - personal preference. I run a Map 0 or a flat boot Map 6 with no Meth Add set. The additional IAT reduction, cleaning effect, and the added effective octane effect of the WM cant be beat and its not going anywhere!


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Quick update - I swapped out my BM7's for PM3.5's this afternoon - thus reducing the effective flow rate from 440cc x2 to 220cc x2. The car felt great and IAT's dropped as usual (currently 99F in NTX!) With less WM, my AFR numbers kept in the low/mid 11's vs high 10's/low 11's with the BM7's. Given gasoline has more energy than methanol and water I figured the experiment might yield good results. The leaner AFR's felt like it helped out at higher RPM's but that's just a couple of runs in hot NTX summer.


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Quick update - I swapped out my BM7's for PM3.5's this afternoon - thus reducing the effective flow rate from 440cc x2 to 220cc x2. The car felt great and IAT's dropped as usual (currently 99F in NTX!) With less WM, my AFR numbers kept in the low/mid 11's vs high 10's/low 11's with the BM7's. Given gasoline has more energy than methanol and water I figured the experiment might yield good results. The leaner AFR's felt like it helped out at higher RPM's but that's just a couple of runs in hot NTX summer.
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Default 08-10-2020, 05:01 PM

I believe a PM5 (315cc) would be something like the BM5's. With the PM3.5's - I am still getting the cooling IAT drop while getting more gas vs WM. Before my fuel system upgrade - I was up to PM8's trying to get more fuel in the cylinder but even then my fuel trims were maxing out. Post fuel system upgrade, I am able to get more gas in the cylinder w/o maxing out the trims while allowing the WM cool the IAT. That appears to allow the ECM to add more timing on a slightly leaner AFR w/o knock.


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Don't know if these logs are enough to go off. I can do better more specific logs if needed. These are small 0-60+'s. I'm running 91 Shell V-Power Octane. It's the best fuel I can obtain without driving 2+ hours a week.

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Not sure how to read maps well, can't really tell if the cars running well or not. If someone could leave quick ELI5 on how to read them that'd be cool.

These were about back to back. Cruised back to the spot I was starting at then ran it. 40 then 60 then 75.
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Default 09-26-2020, 12:40 PM

These are some short pulls - would be easier to see how it is dialed in with some highway on-ramp pulls from 3rd to 4th. The WMI does appear to be engaging and dropping your IAT numbers!


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These are some short pulls - would be easier to see how it is dialed in with some highway on-ramp pulls from 3rd to 4th. The WMI does appear to be engaging and dropping your IAT numbers!
Yeah I noticed that. And I feel like it’s not doing much else either. I verified it’s spraying for sure. And I’m using boost juice. I even have the BMS charge *****. I’ll have to check them again soon. I’ll do some more better pulls today. Thanks!

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Here are a bunch of random pulls. I went longer to try to produce better logs. Let me know if this works. Temperature outside was 91F.
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Default 09-27-2020, 04:44 PM

Looks like 91 fuel is hurting your timing a bit (dips below 5 degrees a bit.) You’re running a bit rich on AFR too - are you running BM5 nozzles ?


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Looks like 91 fuel is hurting your timing a bit (dips below 5 degrees a bit.) Youre running a bit rich on AFR too - are you running BM5 nozzles ?
Whatever nozzles came with the kit so yes I believe so. Ive thought of upgrading to PM7 or BM7 based on what Ive read in this thread but not sure yet. And theres another guy in here using 91 and he didnt seem to have as many problems as me.
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