N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion
(#26)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 01-17-2020, 07:04 PM

Conanpr… here's some screenshots of my settings. Please take note that I'm using M1 (100%Meth) and have a BEF (Back End Flash) installed. Not all setups are the same, so ensure you use these for guidance only. Start a separate thread in the support section for one on one assistance from Terry/BMS.
Attached Images
   


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#27)
Old
Conanpr Conanpr is offline
New Member
 
Posts: 14
Join Date: May 2019
Car: BMW 340I
Default 01-18-2020, 11:33 AM

Thank you. Will do.
Reply With Quote
(#28)
Old
Dominic 88's Avatar
Dominic 88 Dominic 88 is offline
New Member
 
Posts: 20
Join Date: Feb 2018
Car: Bmw F30
Default 01-19-2020, 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JBoe
Conanpr… here's some screenshots of my settings. Please take note that I'm using M1 (100%Meth) and have a BEF (Back End Flash) installed. Not all setups are the same, so ensure you use these for guidance only. Start a separate thread in the support section for one on one assistance from Terry/BMS.
What is 6 cyl logging value 70 stand for?


Thank you
Reply With Quote
(#29)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 01-19-2020, 06:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic 88
What is 6 cyl logging value 70 stand for?


Thank you
It's a spoof for IAT (Inlet Air Temp) and forces it to go lower during full throttle pulls. It's a sliding scale and makes up for our cars IAT sensor location. Our IAT sensor prior to the TB (Throttle Body) so it doesn't see the cooling effect of WMI (Water Methanol Injection) or, in my case, M1 (Pure Methanol) injection.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#30)
Old
Dominic 88's Avatar
Dominic 88 Dominic 88 is offline
New Member
 
Posts: 20
Join Date: Feb 2018
Car: Bmw F30
Default 01-19-2020, 08:14 PM

Oh great. This is what l am looking for.
Just a quick question do l have to set FUD bit2 spoof IAT or just enter 70 on 6 cyl?
I am running quite same mods with you.

Millions thanks sir.
Reply With Quote
(#31)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 01-19-2020, 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic 88
Oh great. This is what l am looking for.
Just a quick question do l have to set FUD bit2 spoof IAT or just enter 70 on 6 cyl?
I am running quite same mods with you.

Millions thanks sir.
Nope... That's something different. Even if your setup is close to mine, you should start your own thread and post your logs. BMS will guide you on the tuning. Copying my settings may not be advised after they review your logs.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#32)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default Is Bias 100 Meth 100?? - 02-08-2020, 09:10 PM

JBoe,

I'm PWM for meth control as well, and I've noticed that meth flow doesn't get above 60 at WOT, even though I have Bias set to 100. I clearly see the ramp up and I've logged partial throttle at set min PSI and I see that flow doesn't match Bias setting at any point. I see 100 flow with PWM off, so I'm sure logs have shown 100. Do you happen to know if logged 60 is full flow when using PWM with bias at 100? Or perhaps, signal scaling should be set to 100 for fuel bias to set flow to 'true' 100? Or, lastly, is it possible to set bias over 100?

Side note, tuning meth has improved timing a lot, for me. I think you mentioned this as well. Seems I'm looking for a sweet spot at this point.
Reply With Quote
(#33)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-08-2020, 10:27 PM

I generally log on a y-scale of 50. I adjusted to 100 and reviewed, but both show my Meth adjusting properly to 100% as set. To see what's really happening you should look at the csv file in excel. It should be showing accurately there.

I'm on V15 firmware. If you're on older firmware, I'd recommend upgrading and relogging to see if that corrects the readings. If it doesn't, then email Terry directly and he'll assist.

Feel free to post your log here and I can review as well...
Attached Images
  
Attached Files
File Type: csv E85-2.0gal_NewPlugs_4thGear.csv (8.2 KB, 63 views)


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#34)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Thumbs up 02-09-2020, 07:07 PM

Very good point, thanks a million. I didn't think about the scaling and I'll definitely check that.
Reply With Quote
(#35)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default Not the scale - 02-10-2020, 12:19 PM

Just checked xls file and meth flow isn't 100. I'm really curious as to how this is expected to work. I'm sure BMS knows. See attached log.
Attached Files
File Type: csv _2020-02-08 21_04_11_Gear-3_Map-6.csv (6.1 KB, 61 views)
Reply With Quote
(#36)
Old
Dominic 88's Avatar
Dominic 88 Dominic 88 is offline
New Member
 
Posts: 20
Join Date: Feb 2018
Car: Bmw F30
Default 02-10-2020, 03:17 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by B58_M240
Just checked xls file and meth flow isn't 100. I'm really curious as to how this is expected to work. I'm sure BMS knows. See attached log.
Update firmware first brother. Then get some log again.
Reply With Quote
(#37)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-10-2020, 08:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic 88
Update firmware first brother. Then get some log again.
Did a run tonight with Meth Scale set to 70 and flow went up to 70.

I'm not interested in FW update, at this point, I just want to know what settings do. I'm not wanting meth to flow at 100 either. With trims below 25, timing seems to suffer. This is why I want a more precise control of meth flow. I'm not fond of flipping switches to see what happens, but sometimes it goes that way, I guess.
Reply With Quote
(#38)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-12-2020, 07:11 PM

Meth Scale has to be set to 60. That doesn't change and could make things malfunction. If you don't want to upgrade firmware then you'll probably be stuck with the issue. Email Terry directly... I had issues until I upgraded to V15.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#39)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-12-2020, 07:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JBoe
Meth Scale has to be set to 60. That doesn't change and could make things malfunction. If you don't want to upgrade firmware then you'll probably be stuck with the issue. Email Terry directly... I had issues until I upgraded to V15.
I put it back, but it is completely mind boggling how we have a setting that is adjustable, but shouldn't be touched. Drives me crazy!!!

I'm happy where it is, but now that I know v15 'fixes' the issue, I'll be prepared for it to break what I want.
Reply With Quote
(#40)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-12-2020, 10:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by B58_M240
I put it back, but it is completely mind boggling how we have a setting that is adjustable, but shouldn't be touched. Drives me crazy!!!

I'm happy where it is, but now that I know v15 'fixes' the issue, I'll be prepared for it to break what I want.
Some settings are adjusted on different applications. Our application requires them to be set a certain way to work. It is what it is... Lol.

Definitely contact Terry as your setup isn't where it should be for proper PWM adjustment. At least it's not appearing to be. Either way, Terry will get you set right within a few emails.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#41)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-13-2020, 08:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JBoe
Some settings are adjusted on different applications. Our application requires them to be set a certain way to work. It is what it is... Lol.

Definitely contact Terry as your setup isn't where it should be for proper PWM adjustment. At least it's not appearing to be. Either way, Terry will get you set right within a few emails.
Thanks for the input. I may load up v15 this weekend. Did you have a chance to look at the log I posted?
Reply With Quote
(#42)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-13-2020, 02:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by B58_M240
Thanks for the input. I may load up v15 this weekend. Did you have a chance to look at the log I posted?
I did, but only towards PWM. It's not showing properly, but that's not to say that it's not working properly. When I was on V14 it looked similar, but was working. Especially in the low end, where I was excessively rich. V15 didn't change that, but did graph properly. Terry helped with a custom BEF change that corrected my tip in fueling. All has been right ever since.

Check out my E85 thread. Those logs will show me on V15 with the same BEF Terry provided and using PWM. Of course it's with E20ish fuel, but that's affecting timing more than anything.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#43)
Old
Terry @ BMS's Avatar
Terry @ BMS Terry @ BMS is offline
Tuner
 
Posts: 32,321
Join Date: Jan 2008
Default 02-13-2020, 03:50 PM

Just post a current log here if you want me to check it out.


Burger Motorsports
Home of the JB4 the worlds most popular turbocharged tuning system!

It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser and installer of any BMS part to employ the correct installation techniques required to ensure the proper operation of BMS parts, and BMS disclaims any and all liability for any part failure due to improper installation or use. It is the sole responsibility of the customer to verify that the use of their vehicle and items purchased comply with federal, state and local regulations. BMS claims no legal federal, state or local certification concerning pollution controlled motor vehicles or mandated emissions requirements. BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways. Please click here for more information on legal requirements related to use of BMS parts.
Reply With Quote
(#44)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-13-2020, 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Just post a current log here if you want me to check it out.
It's in post #35 above.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#45)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default 02-14-2020, 09:08 AM

Thanks for the reply!!

I loaded v15 this morning, but rain came in early. I'll try to get a good log when things dry out.
Reply With Quote
(#46)
Old
Terry @ BMS's Avatar
Terry @ BMS Terry @ BMS is offline
Tuner
 
Posts: 32,321
Join Date: Jan 2008
Default 02-19-2020, 10:59 AM

BTW I'm not always on the forums so if you need more direct help and I'm not around you can always email in to support.


Burger Motorsports
Home of the JB4 the worlds most popular turbocharged tuning system!

It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser and installer of any BMS part to employ the correct installation techniques required to ensure the proper operation of BMS parts, and BMS disclaims any and all liability for any part failure due to improper installation or use. It is the sole responsibility of the customer to verify that the use of their vehicle and items purchased comply with federal, state and local regulations. BMS claims no legal federal, state or local certification concerning pollution controlled motor vehicles or mandated emissions requirements. BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways. Please click here for more information on legal requirements related to use of BMS parts.
Reply With Quote
(#47)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default 03-02-2020, 11:43 AM

Just wanted to post a follow-up. I'm experiencing severe over-boost since loading v15. I'm thinking of going back to v14. I can't get a log good enough to make adjustments. The only settings I have changed were Fuel Bias for WMI. I'd like to hear any ideas that might make v15 work the same as v14 (my log is in this thread). To recap, this started with WMI value of 100 not being 100.

Gonna get this!!!!
Reply With Quote
(#48)
Old
JBoe JBoe is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 440
Join Date: May 2018
Car: M240i
Default 03-02-2020, 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by B58_M240
Just wanted to post a follow-up. I'm experiencing severe over-boost since loading v15. I'm thinking of going back to v14. I can't get a log good enough to make adjustments. The only settings I have changed were Fuel Bias for WMI. I'd like to hear any ideas that might make v15 work the same as v14 (my log is in this thread). To recap, this started with WMI value of 100 not being 100.

Gonna get this!!!!
We understand what you're saying, but need logs to truly evaluate. Best thing you can do in this situation is to email Terry directly. He's more active on emails, but he'll still need a log.

Until you're provided guidance, drive in a boring manner staying under 1/2 throttle. Then you're on the stock mapping and all should be well. It won't be long to get dialed in, but patience and restraint are your friends during this period. Lol... Those are hard for us all, but worth it in the end.


AFE Drop-in Filter
BMS Meth Kit (100% M1)
Muffler Delete
CA 91 Piss Gas...
(8oz Boostane 95ish Oct)
E85 (2Gal/Fill)
BEF (Race_WMI)
JB4 (Map 7 - Add 45... 19-20psi)
Reply With Quote
(#49)
Old
Terry @ BMS's Avatar
Terry @ BMS Terry @ BMS is offline
Tuner
 
Posts: 32,321
Join Date: Jan 2008
Default 03-03-2020, 04:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by B58_M240
Just wanted to post a follow-up. I'm experiencing severe over-boost since loading v15. I'm thinking of going back to v14. I can't get a log good enough to make adjustments. The only settings I have changed were Fuel Bias for WMI. I'd like to hear any ideas that might make v15 work the same as v14 (my log is in this thread). To recap, this started with WMI value of 100 not being 100.

Gonna get this!!!!
You should know the drill by now. Want help, add a JB4 log to your post!
Attached Images
 


Burger Motorsports
Home of the JB4 the worlds most popular turbocharged tuning system!

It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser and installer of any BMS part to employ the correct installation techniques required to ensure the proper operation of BMS parts, and BMS disclaims any and all liability for any part failure due to improper installation or use. It is the sole responsibility of the customer to verify that the use of their vehicle and items purchased comply with federal, state and local regulations. BMS claims no legal federal, state or local certification concerning pollution controlled motor vehicles or mandated emissions requirements. BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways. Please click here for more information on legal requirements related to use of BMS parts.
Reply With Quote
(#50)
Old
B58_M240 B58_M240 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 39
Join Date: Dec 2018
Car: M240i
Default 03-04-2020, 03:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
You should know the drill by now. Want help, add a JB4 log to your post!
Yes, of course. Trying to get something useful without breaking...
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com
Copyright © 2007 - 2020, N54tech.com