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Default 10-07-2020, 03:06 PM

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Hi, new to the forum, apologies for hijacking the current chat subject.

Is there a JB4 map to support WMI on Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0L?

Burger motor sport advertise a universal WMI kit for use on the Giulia. This kit is compatible to be regulated by the JB4 module.

I understand the WMI maps are application specific. So want to ensure the Giulia has a supporting map before making the purchase of the WMI kit.
I believe it has a specific map, if not Terry can make a firmware for it.

For the Giulia, you will have to drill and tap into your stock parts unless a company has made a chargepipe system with a methanol bung.


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Smile Map 6 Dial In? - 10-17-2020, 06:11 PM

A buddy of mine with a JB4 on his GTI said he worked with Jeorge at Burger Tuning to dial in his MAP 6 on his GTI. I was just curious is there's anyone at Burger who can help me dial in MAP 6 on my 2019 Giulia.

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2019 Alfa Romeo Giulia (rwd)

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JB4 + Mobile Connectivity Kit
GFB Diverter Valve
BMS Performance Intake

Fuel:
93oct + 3 gal E85 (Should be about E30)

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Austin, TX

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p.s. Map 3 works amazing. Hits hard. I love it. Taking it out to the track tomorrow morning. Gonna grab some 1/4 runs. Will post results here.
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Talking Track Day - 1/4 drag strip - 10-19-2020, 06:52 AM

Had a blast at the track. It surprised a lot of people. Hope this info helps someone.

Overall: Very pleased with its performance, and I was surprised it ran mid 13s all day long.

Track: Little River Dragway
Location: Temple, Texas
Elevation: 720'
Ambient Temp: 73-75F

Best Times:
60ft: 2.1sec
330ft: 5.8sec
1/8: 8.8sec @ 82mph
1/4: 13.48sec @ 105mph
Note: It ran four 13.5s, three 13.6s, and one 13.48. Overall it seemed to be really happy at around 13.5. Could have inflated the front tires a bit more, but I wanted to run it how I drive it normally. Fronts were 32psi, rears were 37psi.


Car: 2019 Alfa Romeo Giulia (RWD)
Trans: Auto
Mods: BMS Performance Intake, JB4, GFB Diverter Valve, SGW Bypass
Fuel: E30
Traction Control: Fully Enabled (I've installed and configured the RDNA since then, but I didn't have it for track day so all runs were with Traction Control)

JB4 Info:
Version: It's the latest version, rev 5.
Map: 2

Issues:
1. On the first run I tried to run MAP 3 but it threw the car into limp mode at round 90mph. Triggered a crazy amount of codes. It was so bad I couldn't even clear all the codes from the JB4 app. I ended up having to plug in my laptop and use Multiecuscan to scan all the modules and clear all the codes. Switched to map 2 for the remainder of the day. I had been running map 3 with no issues for weeks, but I had never taken it that fast on map 3. I have the logs for that run on my phone I'll post that log here later today so we can see what happened.
2. Intake temps were just incredibly high for being in the low 70s outside. I parked the car, hood open, for about 15 min. Took it for a run down the track with intake temps of 157F. Then decided to go for a second run just to see what would happen to the IATs, and it hit 227F. Are those intake temps normal? It was extremely noticeable, significantly less power. Would going back to the box intake with a high flow filter help with that or is that just a consequence of where the intake is located?

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Default 10-19-2020, 02:01 PM

Decent times! Codes sound like misfires.

IAT is read pre-intercooler on the platform currently so not entirely the same as charge air temp.


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Icon1 Track Day - Log - Map 3 (knock/limp mode)? - 10-20-2020, 01:47 PM

Here's the log for when I ran map 3 at the track. Looks like it made it to around 100mph before it started having issues. But just looking at the logs it certainly resembles limp mode. You can see it right there around 100-101 where boost takes a steep dive and immediately after it pulled throttle back to 50%.

Is there someway to log knock?

I was able to clear enough of the codes from the JB4 app to get it running again and out of limp mode or whatever mode it ended up in. But it had some other lights on about start/stop being disabled, and a few others. When I pulled it up in Multiecuscan it had a couple engine codes and one trans code. I cleared them and all the lights went off.

Ran the rest of the day in Map 2 without issue.

If there's some way to log knock, I might take it out and try to trigger the event again and see if I can find out exactly what caused it.

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Default 10-21-2020, 12:24 PM

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Here's the log for when I ran map 3 at the track. Looks like it made it to around 100mph before it started having issues. But just looking at the logs it certainly resembles limp mode. You can see it right there around 100-101 where boost takes a steep dive and immediately after it pulled throttle back to 50%.

Is there someway to log knock?

I was able to clear enough of the codes from the JB4 app to get it running again and out of limp mode or whatever mode it ended up in. But it had some other lights on about start/stop being disabled, and a few others. When I pulled it up in Multiecuscan it had a couple engine codes and one trans code. I cleared them and all the lights went off.

Ran the rest of the day in Map 2 without issue.

If there's some way to log knock, I might take it out and try to trigger the event again and see if I can find out exactly what caused it.

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Matthew O.
Knk is ign2 - ign 6. You had none. Im sure you triggered underboost causing limp. Use map 2.
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Default 10-22-2020, 08:19 AM

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Here's the log for when I ran map 3 at the track. Looks like it made it to around 100mph before it started having issues. But just looking at the logs it certainly resembles limp mode. You can see it right there around 100-101 where boost takes a steep dive and immediately after it pulled throttle back to 50%.

Is there someway to log knock?

I was able to clear enough of the codes from the JB4 app to get it running again and out of limp mode or whatever mode it ended up in. But it had some other lights on about start/stop being disabled, and a few others. When I pulled it up in Multiecuscan it had a couple engine codes and one trans code. I cleared them and all the lights went off.

Ran the rest of the day in Map 2 without issue.

If there's some way to log knock, I might take it out and try to trigger the event again and see if I can find out exactly what caused it.

Best Regards,
Matthew O.
The run looks fine until the ECU goes to limp mode. The fault codes would tell you why it went to limp mode, so we'd want those codes and descriptions. Might be as simple as an "underboost" fault code on the higher map.
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Default 12-07-2020, 09:15 PM

Terry,

Just recently purchased your JB4 and your customer service was great providing me the link for the correct bluetooth add-on post-purchase. A couple questions:

1. Does your intake increase power gains?

2. Has there been any progress on the piggyback harness to keep maps 2 & 3 from triggering limp mode?

Thanks so much!
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Default 12-08-2020, 06:18 PM

The intake helps with, pedal response, sound, boost, and some gains.

There's no reason for those maps to trigger limp mode unless there's something wrong with the car. You can always get a log and post it on here.


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Default 12-08-2020, 08:54 PM

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The intake helps with, pedal response, sound, boost, and some gains.

There's no reason for those maps to trigger limp mode unless there's something wrong with the car. You can always get a log and post it on here.

I'm not understanding. There are tons of posts about problems with limp mode in this thread on maps 2 and 3? Terry has responded to them.

Are you saying it won't happen unless something is wrong with the car?
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Default 12-08-2020, 08:59 PM

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Decent times! Codes sound like misfires.

IAT is read pre-intercooler on the platform currently so not entirely the same as charge air temp.
Are there any plans to improve these issues? I know you mentioned adding another sensor connection possibly?

Also will I see gains from a high-flow down pipe with the jb4? Eurocompulsion is showing 375ft/lbs tuned for the dp

Any improvements in the pipeline for this platform? I know others are more popular but I hope you continue to support the Giulia platform!
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Are there any plans to improve these issues? I know you mentioned adding another sensor connection possibly?

Also will I see gains from a high-flow down pipe with the jb4? Eurocompulsion is showing 375ft/lbs tuned for the dp

Any improvements in the pipeline for this platform? I know others are more popular but I hope you continue to support the Giulia platform!
Tech support needs to be handled on an individualized basis. Misfires are not commonly reported so likely a faulty spark plug, coil, or injector. The only common fault is a "WG" fault which has been reported in some ECU versions at higher boost targets. Development continues on that front!


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I'm running JB4_ALFA_3_T1 at the moment on Map2. I noticed JB4_ALFA_3 and the description says "Added support for v3.7 JB4 Mobile Adapters. Is this newer than what I currently have?

Also, what is map 3? Does it only exist on the Beta V5? Or can I select map3 on my current version? sorry for all the questions, and if this has already been addressed. I didn't see it pinned on the first page and I'm just trying to clarify. its been a while since I made any changes to it. Thanks in advance.
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Hi, just installed the JB4 along with OBD connector and wired USB cable. No problems so far but had a couple questions. I read the whole thread, I swear!

1- Where can I find info on each Map and what is required to run that map?

2- I saw somewhere that I need to enable the CANbus for my OBD plug to work, however I donít see that option in the laptop software when plugged in to the JB4.

3- I used to run a JB4 on my old 135i and loved changing maps and such with the steering wheel controls. Will that become available possibly?

4- How do I know if I should use firmware 3 or 5? My software shows 29/3//5. Iím confused whether I have 3 or 5 installed.

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1) First post has map guide
2) Nothing else is needed
3) Maybe down the road, currently via app only
4) You have v3 firmware loaded currently


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Thanks for the quick reply Terry! Only thing is first page with Map guide doesnít say what requirements are to run each map. I.e., octane or catalyst. Could that be added to first page?
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Does anyone know where I can find the requirements to run Map2?(octane or any mods required)
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Does anyone know where I can find the requirements to run Map2?(octane or any mods required)

You can run it with no mods. No requirements.
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Wow, ok! Thanks.
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Spent the day doing Fiat Abarth tuning and was surprised how similar the CANbus and electronics are to the Giulia!

I need someone to do a quick test for me. In the app load platform 55 Fiat firmware and record a JB4 log on map0 so I can see if some of the advanced logging channels we added are compatible. Boost will not show accurately, so pay no attention to that, but I want to see if gear, DME_BT, timing advance 2-4 show up during a WOT run.

PS. It's no go on the QV but waiting for a test on a 2L.

After the test email me the CSV terry@burgertuning.com and you can load back the Alfa firmware.


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Hey I was wondering if the 2020 Guilias are able to be tuned with the jb4 as well? And also would I be able to put it on my lease and take it off when returning or will they find out itís been tuned before?
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