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Default M Turbo - N54 Ball Bearing Turbos with OEM fitment - 03-20-2017, 07:16 PM

Dear all,

I am Marshall from ML Performance, we are a BMW Specialist based in Surrey, the United Kingdom. This is our first post in this section so please be gentle

We would like to share some of our new developments and we are very excited to say the least!

So after years of development and testing, we have finally completed the R&D on the M Turbo Stage 2 with the ball bearing technology. This technology is often found on the race track, and we have managed to make it into a direct OEM fitment on the N54 engines for the 135i and 335i.

The main advantage of the ball bearing technology is the turbo response, as you won't experience the turbo lag commonly associated with the journal bearing turbos. The result is faster boost time which leads to better acceleration and drivability!

It also has another advantage, it doesn't rely on oil to lubricate the internals as much, which is one of the most common reason that leads to journal bearing turbo failures.

These are currently available to be purchased for UK customer at £2800 and if people are interested in the state, it would be around $3500 delivered with the current exchange rate.

We can also offer a little bit of discount in a form of a refund if you are willing to do some honest reviews and provide dyno graphs etc. Please message us for more details!

Attached are a few snaps of the M Turbo Stage 2 (Ball Bearing)





The first set of M Turbo Stage 2 Ball Bearing in the UK will be installed in the first week of April, we will share some results once the tuning is done

The MT stage 3 ball bearing is also in development, which utilises the TD04 and this should be available to purchase within a month or two.

That's all for now, and thank you very much for reading thus far!

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How much power are you making on those ?
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I would totally be an Alpha tester on my 335xi XD
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Iv purchased a few bits and peices from Marshall@MLperfromance over the last couple months and I have to say his customer service is second to none. My classic Rb's have just started smoking so i think these are on the cards for me soon.

Looking forward to results in the mean time


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Does the CHRA come with an oil restrictor built in to the assembly, since ball bearing do not need high oil flow?

How is the oil pump affected by this?
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Does the CHRA come with an oil restrictor built in to the assembly, since ball bearing do not need high oil flow?

How is the oil pump affected by this?
We have reduce the size of the oil feed into the turbo, as it doesn't require as much oil as the JB turbos, and so far on several of our test cars, the oil pump has been just fine

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Iv purchased a few bits and peices from Marshall@MLperfromance over the last couple months and I have to say his customer service is second to none. My classic Rb's have just started smoking so i think these are on the cards for me soon.

Looking forward to results in the mean time
Dear,

Many thanks for your kind words and I am very glad to hear you are happy with our service!

We would certainly be happy to work something out for you, and we too are looking forward to the results!

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Default 03-23-2017, 07:15 PM

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So after years of development and testing, we have finally completed the R&D on the Marshall Turbo Stage 2 with the ball bearing technology.

The first set of Marshall Turbo Stage 2 Ball Bearing in the UK will be installed in the first week of April, we will share some results once the tuning is done
I'm sorry, but if no one is going to ask the obvious, I will have to. How have you done years of testing on something, when the first is not even going to be installed for another 1-2 weeks? Your post right above this, you say "so far on several of our test cars" but in the first post you say the first set is still not installed? Which is it? Have you been testing these for years, or is the first set being installed in the first week of april? If you have been testing for years, where is the data? Logs, dyno graphs, shaft speeds, etc, etc. just trying to figure out which is actually the case, as you are saying two different things. Thanks


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I am with Vargas on this one. I googled and I can't even find your website or any info just bunch of BS. If you are going to use people as test subjects, please go else where
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Website is in his sig. Google ML Performance UK. Top result is the website :
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What about logs ? or Dyno or anything ?do you want to pay 900$ for jb4 btw ? I don't think anything of their website worth time. They just resell BMS for 1.5 the price
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Default 03-23-2017, 11:45 PM

It'll take 2yrs of extensive public documentation of testing, revising, logging, dyno'ing, and 5to10 sets of alpha and beta testers on forum members' cars for 5k+ miles each before you will sell more than 10 sets.
N54 owners have probably collectively lost millions due to bad hybrids smoking after just a few thousand miles. You can't blame us for being skeptical.
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What about logs ? or Dyno or anything ?do you want to pay 900$ for jb4 btw ? I don't think anything of their website worth time. They just resell BMS for 1.5 the price
UK based company. So prices include delivery to U.K. And likely import tax. These are the prices us in the U.K. have to pay! Pretty obvious really! Why would anyone in the US buy a US made product from U.K.?? He's not aiming those kind of products at the US market only his BB Turbos. Info will be released in due course. Obviously be nice to have it all info now tho.


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Welcome to N54tech.com Marshall.
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I'm sorry, but if no one is going to ask the obvious, I will have to. How have you done years of testing on something, when the first is not even going to be installed for another 1-2 weeks? Your post right above this, you say "so far on several of our test cars" but in the first post you say the first set is still not installed? Which is it? Have you been testing these for years, or is the first set being installed in the first week of april? If you have been testing for years, where is the data? Logs, dyno graphs, shaft speeds, etc, etc. just trying to figure out which is actually the case, as you are saying two different things. Thanks
Dear Tony,

Many thanks for your feedback as always and really appreciate the interest you have shown in our Ball Bearing turbos.

So, years of developments not only includes the testing on test cars, but also includes the time and effort we have put in in making the ball bearing turbos a reality on the N54 community. From my research, the first company that tried develop the ball bearing twin turbos were back in 2008, which is 9 years ago, and still no sign of the development being completed. The M Turbo Ball Bearing range is not a set of twins that requires modification to fit, it is a set of ball bearing turbo that has an OEM fitment, and a direct bolt on.

As you have been developing the ball bearing turbos yourself, I am sure you will appreciate the amount of task that is required to make it an OEM fitment utilising the ball bearing technology. If it was easy, we wouldn't be the first one to introduce it to the market.

In regards to the confusion, when I say the first set of turbos being installed in the first week of April, I am referring to the first set of BB turbos in the United Kingdom, which is where we are based. The first set of M Turbo Ball Bearing Stage 2, was sold in the UK this month, and is due to be installed on a local customer's car in the first week of April.

Prior to this, we have had several units sold around the world, not to public, but to dealerships that we work with. This testing phase is done on all our turbos prior to realising any information on them and making them available to purchase for the general public. On these units, we do not get involve in tuning and so on, as it is done by the dealerships that we work with.

We do have some data, however they belong to the dealership and we do not wish to use them as it is not something we have tuned nor setup. We simply use these data internally for feedback on the turbos to carry out further testing and development.

I am only comfortable in releasing data that is done by myself, and tuned by the great tuners that we work with. Therefore I have mentioned in my initial post, we will hopefully be releasing lots of data after the 1st week of April, once the first set of M Turbo Ball Bearing Stage 2 in the UK has been installed and tuned.

Furthermore, dyno number varies from dyno to dyno, and there seems to be a lot of happy dynos out there. Therefore, I am only going to be using Dyno Dynamic in the UK on all our data, that is due to be realised. Dyno Dynamic is also known as the heart breaker in the UK as it quote extremely conservative numbers from what I have seen throughout the years. Realistic figure is what I am after, as it is real and it may be lower than most, but it would be honest and will avoid any disappointment for the customer.

Apologise if my writing isn't up to standard and caused any confusion, that is not my intention at all. Also, thank you for bringing this up so that I have the opportunity to clarify.

Since you have shown so much love towards our ball bearing turbos, please let me know all the data you are interested in, and I will be sure to make a list and complete them for you one by one I am sure the list you make will also interst other that is following our development.

Wishing you a wonderful day Tony, spring has arrived in the UK and the sun is finally shining upon us after a depressing winter as usual. I hope the weather is the same for you in the US, as it does brighten the mood up a lot. Stay positive and keep up the good work in leading the turbo industry!

Lastly, I am extremely grateful for your input and feedback, this is very valuable for us as you have been in the market for a very long period of time and understands the market well. Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions or if I could assist in any way.

Kind regards,
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^ Great post, very informative. In for results.
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years of development, no dyno graphs or logs. rad.


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Lol. The opposite approach of frankenturbo.

I do hope these prove reliable, but the story is fishy.


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We have reduce the size of the oil feed into the turbo, as it doesn't require as much oil as the JB turbos, and so far on several of our test cars, the oil pump has been just fine

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Very nice. Are those custom cnc'ed chra's I would love to see some dyno sheets
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How much power are you making on those ?
Conservatively speaking we would say 600bhp+ We will confirm this and post more results once the tune is complete.

This post is mainly to share some good news on the development, so stay tuned


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I would totally be an Alpha tester on my 335xi XD
Haha, many thanks for the kind offer, we already have quite a few test car running around the world, and some have been running on 25 psi for some time, so we are not looking for any test car at the moment. Appreciate the kind offer though


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Iv purchased a few bits and peices from Marshall@MLperfromance over the last couple months and I have to say his customer service is second to none. My classic Rb's have just started smoking so i think these are on the cards for me soon.

Looking forward to results in the mean time
Many thanks for the kind words and making our day! I'm sure we could sort something out for you buddy.

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I am with Vargas on this one. I googled and I can't even find your website or any info just bunch of BS. If you are going to use people as test subjects, please go else where
Thanks for the feedback!

Our website is at the bottom of our signature, it has its own section for the M Turbo, if you have any trouble locating us, here's a link for your reference:

https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/collections/m-turbo

On the above link you should be able to find the turbos and some info on there, if you have any other questions, please do feel free to ask and I am more than happy to answer them for you

In regards to the test car, we already have a few test car running around the word, so we are not currently looking for any test subjects, sorry for the confusion

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Website is in his sig. Google ML Performance UK. Top result is the website :
Many thanks for pointing him in the direction, for anyone that's struggling, our website is:

www.mlperformance.co.uk

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What about logs ? or Dyno or anything ?do you want to pay 900$ for jb4 btw ? I don't think anything of their website worth time. They just resell BMS for 1.5 the price
Hi again,

Many thanks for the feedback.

As per the original post, we will be documenting all our dynos and logs etc. after April, we will indeed share it on here as many are wanting to know how we get on, so do stay tuned! This post is primarily to share the good news that the M Turbo Ball Bearing Stage 2 has finally been developed and available to the market.

From our research, we believe we are the first to bring out a ball bearing N54 twin turbos that is a direct OEM fitment on the N54 platform. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

The prices on our website are for UK customers, not targeted at US customer. If you would like a JB4 and you are based in the US, it would be $479 inline with the US pricing. Please drop me a message if you would like to order one and I will be sure to assist in processing your order.

I will explain a little about the UK law if you are not familiar with it. So, to get the item over, we have to pay 20% import VAT, this is not calculated on the product alone, but (product + shipping + insurance) * 20% = VAT to be paid.

On top of the 20% VAT, we will also have to pay 3-7% duty depending on what the item and its classification. Then there's the fuel surcharge, custom clearance fee, international transaction fee and much more.

Above is just to get the item in the UK. We then have inland shipping cost, card processing fee, insurance, PayPal fees, eBay fees, packaging, not even mentioning staff cost nor overheads.

If you think that's the end of it, oh no! We then have to charge 20% VAT on top of our sale price, this goes to the government. So if the item was sold at £120, £20 would go to the government and we would only receive £100.

At the end, if we manage to make a profit, we then have to pay 20% cooperation tax out of our profit. Therefore when you think about 1.5, it really isn't enough to cover the above, however we have to price competitively in order to say in the market.

I hope the above help, if however you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask and I will do my best to assist and answering them.

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