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Default 12-17-2019, 02:43 PM

Just got my bottle of Boostane Professional. Added 3.5ounces to around 5gal of 91 to test. Should be around 97 octane going by their mixing chart. Did a map 6 run without fuel wires enabled from 2nd to 3rd gear. How does this look? Safe to go up to +8?
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Default 12-18-2019, 05:48 AM

I think you need some fuel wires if youre going to run boostane. Your AFR goes FAT once you get out of lean spool mode. Otherwise looks ok.


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Default 12-18-2019, 07:41 AM

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I think you need some fuel wires if youre going to run boostane. Your AFR goes FAT once you get out of lean spool mode. Otherwise looks ok.
I mean I have the fuel wires installed, just disabled.


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Default 12-18-2019, 07:45 AM

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I mean I have the fuel wires installed, just disabled.
I'd turn them on and log again.


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Default 12-18-2019, 08:22 AM

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I'd turn them on and log again.
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Default 12-18-2019, 08:59 AM

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Just got my bottle of Boostane Professional. Added 3.5ounces to around 5gal of 91 to test. Should be around 97 octane going by their mixing chart. Did a map 6 run without fuel wires enabled from 2nd to 3rd gear. How does this look? Safe to go up to +8?
Log looks generally OK to me. Usually around +7psi is as much as you can go before you stop adding boost and start adding timing.


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Default 12-18-2019, 11:22 AM

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Log looks generally OK to me. Usually around +7psi is as much as you can go before you stop adding boost and start adding timing.
Gotcha. +7psi capped it is. Thanks Terry! I'll repost with fuel wires enabled.


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Default 12-18-2019, 10:26 PM

Ok so how does this Map6 look? 91 octane and Boostane Based one what I've been learning about reading logs, this seems relatively clean. This boostane is pretty incredible. Mixed literally 3oz with 10gal of ****ty 91 and it worked wonders. Anyone know if it's okay to run this regularly or is it better to cycle it with just regular gas?

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Default 12-19-2019, 06:59 AM

I used one can of Boostane and I don't plan to run it anymore.

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Do a search on Boostane. Wide variety of issues on different platforms reported like fouled plugs and bad cats using Boostane. I'm ******* but still going to pass on that.
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Boostane is essentially MMT, which will foul your plugs, valves and cats. Your warranty coverage may be affected if the damage can be attributed to MMT.
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The Society of Automobile Engineers has publish over 30 papers on the effects of MMT on vehicles. Their latest $8 million study on the effects of MMT was conducted jointly with the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers and the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association.

That study showed that MMT increased tailpipe emissions, spark plug fouling, catalyst damage and impairment of On Board Diagnostic systems. The testing was done on 56 different vehicles from 6 different manufacturers that drove over 3.6 million miles over a 6 year period.

MMT is a complex organomanganese compound that is volatilized and burned in the engine. I don't care how they say they suspend it, the MMT combustion products are manganese sulfate, manganese phosphate and manganese tetraoxide. It's these combustion products that deposit on plugs, sensors, and catalysts.

Why do you think Boostane states that their product is not street legal? It's designed for track and racing cars that have no cats and they are maintaining their engines more rigorously than the typical consumer's car. Legally, MMT can be used in gasoline in the US up to a concentration of 1/32 of a gram per gallon. However, the oil companies stopped adding MMT to US gas as a result of pressure from automobile manufacturers and the scientific community. Adding Boostane (and other MMT products) will likely raise the concentration of MMT above the allowed limit so that's why companies who make MMT octane boosters state that it is for off-road use only.


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Default 12-19-2019, 08:24 AM

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I used one can of Boostane and I don't plan to run it anymore.

From another forum I am on:
Oh wow didn't know all that. In that case definitely not a daily thing. If anything a track day/kill map thing. Cool thanks!


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hello, I was looking for some help with logs. I have been having a "cutting" issue. it seems to only happen in 1st and 2nd gear I thought I might be spinning and TC is cutting in, but on the dyno it happened too. the cut issue can be seen in run#2 map5. as he starts a pull the car builds a ton of boost almost instantly and falls on its face, after a second or 2 he was able to make a full pull. included are logs from (run 1 map 0 / run 2 map 5 / run 3 map 6). also take a look at map 6 and notice how my IGN drops for 4deg. it does come up as boost tappers off. my max is 7.5psi on map 6. any input is appreciated!

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hello, I was looking for some help with logs. I have been having a "cutting" issue. it seems to only happen in 1st and 2nd gear I thought I might be spinning and TC is cutting in, but on the dyno it happened too. the cut issue can be seen in run#2 map5. as he starts a pull the car builds a ton of boost almost instantly and falls on its face, after a second or 2 he was able to make a full pull. included are logs from (run 1 map 0 / run 2 map 5 / run 3 map 6). also take a look at map 6 and notice how my IGN drops for 4deg. it does come up as boost tappers off. my max is 7.5psi on map 6. any input is appreciated!

note she made 409hp and 420ftlbs on map 6 stock w/ axleback
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That sounds EXACTLY like mine. I see it more when I am aggressively accelerating BUT not mashing the pedal 100%... but also when I do mash the pedal without ramping the boost up gradually enough IMHO. When I was using the canned maps it was driving me nuts. It seems easier to get rid of it or minimalize it using MAP6. I am ramping up to around +6 PSI right now. I do run E30 sometimes. Right now I am running a tank of 91 and I have a gallon of Lucas additive to run 8 ounces in a tank once in a while. I think I had the cut just the other day. It is not TCS as far as I can tell. It happens with TCS off.
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Default 12-23-2019, 01:02 PM

Quick question/test: Have either of you tried the following feature of the v7 firmware to see if this helps alleviate the symptoms you are describing?

...linear pedal mapping option under FutureUseD Bit7. Turn on to smooth out boost targeting as a function of gas pedal input.


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Default 12-23-2019, 01:08 PM

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Quick question/test: Have either of you tried the following feature of the v7 firmware to see if this helps alleviate the symptoms you are describing?

...linear pedal mapping option under FutureUseD Bit7. Turn on to smooth out boost targeting as a function of gas pedal input.
I will try that today! Thanks.

If someone sees something in the logs, please let me know. I have not had the JB4 installed very long, and the only experience I have had is with an Accessport and Cobb ATR software.

I did try that and the first run it showed the issue again... power cut right after I mash the throttle 100%... maybe 1 second after. I thought I saw a gap between PEDAL and THROTTLE as a hole in the throttle in some previous logs where I caught it, but I logged this one and I can't find the same gap.

Car is a 2018 Silver Sport, AWD, stock, 91 in it right now. Definitely have had the issue with E30 as well. Power cut is right after I take off (no brake boost) from a stop car jerks quite a bit then starts accelerating again - only does it once. Doesn't always do it.

I had the issue one more time to day from a roll and mashed pedal, problem right after - didn't log.

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Default 12-23-2019, 10:30 PM

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hello, I was looking for some help with logs. I have been having a "cutting" issue. it seems to only happen in 1st and 2nd gear I thought I might be spinning and TC is cutting in, but on the dyno it happened too. the cut issue can be seen in run#2 map5. as he starts a pull the car builds a ton of boost almost instantly and falls on its face, after a second or 2 he was able to make a full pull. included are logs from (run 1 map 0 / run 2 map 5 / run 3 map 6). also take a look at map 6 and notice how my IGN drops for 4deg. it does come up as boost tappers off. my max is 7.5psi on map 6. any input is appreciated!

note she made 409hp and 420ftlbs on map 6 stock w/ axleback
It's throttle closure from boost being over target at the shift. The heavy boost taper to redline is probably party to cause. Try a map6 with say 4psi to redline as a quick test to see if it's related.
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Default 12-23-2019, 10:32 PM

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I used one can of Boostane and I don't plan to run it anymore.

From another forum I am on:
MMT cuts your plug life in half and turns things orange. But it works at boosting octane. E85 is a better option if you have easy access. Otherwise, the MMT boosters work well with minimal side effects. I run them all the time on our cars to mitigate the crappy 91 octane around here.


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Default 12-27-2019, 09:34 PM

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It's throttle closure from boost being over target at the shift. The heavy boost taper to redline is probably party to cause. Try a map6 with say 4psi to redline as a quick test to see if it's related.
I saw that too, I thought it was normal because at the exact same time the ign cuts too. thought it might be to avoid the torque hitting the trans so hard.
will try the 4psi when I get the car back!
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Default 12-28-2019, 07:48 PM

Is there an install video for the BMS HX on a Red Sport? The RS has the oil cooler and it would be good to see how it fits with the new brackets. Mine is arriving next weekend and all I can find are non Red Sport videos. The RS is a bit more complicated.


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We just have the one video but the OC part is pretty straight forward.


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Can I use the oem HX with the BMS or will the oil cooler block the air flow since it will be relocated? I'd line to use the oem in series with the BMS.


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Default 12-31-2019, 06:33 PM

On a 2016 RS400 RWD w/ Stillen CBE and AMS intakes, 93 octane, what would be an ideal Map 6 (in Texas so it'll be fairly cool for a few more months)? Ideally 4-5 psi over stock, just not sure about the different settings. I've never made any adjustments to any of those fields, thanks!!! And what kind of RWHP/torque should I expect?
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Default 12-31-2019, 06:47 PM

RS - recommend starting with Map1 - get some logs posted here for review before moving to more aggressive maps / custom Map6. For reference, my SS on E30’ish fuel and stock fuel system and exhaust (also in NTX) put down 423whp / 454 wtq.


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Default 12-31-2019, 10:47 PM

Anyone else unable to launch without spinning through 3rd gear? Running Pilot Super Sport 265/40/19 in the rear with basic FBO and map 6 with +7 max psi. I lose traction when shifting into 2nd and it literally just spins like crazy.


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Time for drag radials! Or to limit boost in lower gears.


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Time for drag radials! Or to limit boost in lower gears.
Ahhhh no drag radials! Maybe for the strip though haha. I guess I either gotta limit the boost or feather the throttle more


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