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Default 03-21-2016, 03:37 PM

The blue tooth kit works the same as the data cable.


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Default 03-22-2016, 05:43 PM

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The blue tooth kit works the same as the data cable.
Thanks for your input Terry.
Does it support N63 Stage 2. All I have after the successful connection and modify the settings to "All F engine" and "Rev 3 connection" is: frozen (or I should say improper reading) gauges. RPM is in the 395-399 and goes to 402 when I step hardly on the gas. Reading codes failed. Cannot change the maps.

I read couple of pages in other websites that Bluetooth Rev3 doesn't support the N63 Stage 2 BMS.

If this is the case, should I go a head and connect the BMS cable to tweek required settings?
I would appreciate your advice.
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Default 03-22-2016, 06:03 PM

Stag2 reads boost only. No other data will appear. RPM will not appear and show a garbage number.

If its connecting and you see data then its probably working.


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Default 03-22-2016, 07:58 PM

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Stag2 reads boost only. No other data will appear. RPM will not appear and show a garbage number.

If its connecting and you see data then its probably working.
Thanks!
Unfortunately, I figured it out in the hard way. I just switched the Bluetooth with BMS data cable and hooked my BMS to my PC and gave me then exact numbers. However I was glad that I have no connection wiring problems. Now I'm more relaxed as you also confirmed it. Thanks
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Hi Terry

I am running your S2 on a 2012 N63 with a Dinan flash. This flash increases the total fuelling capacity available so I was wondering what else you can tell me about the added fuel value of 60 that is part of the default map. Can this value be increased? What units is this in, or is this a scaling factor?

Currently I am watching my AFR values and considering increasing the OpenLoop value but I have no idea how much of an increase to try.

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Default 04-02-2016, 09:54 AM

You may want to set open loop to 0 in that situation. Since the N63 Stage2 does not have CANbus data input is limited to boost and fuel pressure. To evaluate open loop you'd monitor fuel trims using a 3rd party logging device.

I have been tempted to make a JB4 for the n63 with CANbus. The extra data and features would be nice but I don't think we'd be able to add any power over the Stage2. So in that regard I've been hesitant to want to go down that road.


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Default 04-02-2016, 03:31 PM

Ok, I will give that a try. I presume you are suggesting 0 for open loop because the flash is already providing extra fuelling capacity?

Setting the Stage 2 open loop to 0 effectively turns it into an S1 ?
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Exactly. Setting open loop to 0 disables the extra fuel control of the Stage2, but not the timing and boost augmentation, so it's not like a Stage1. To run a Stage1 you could set DWP = 0 as well as open loop = 0, to disable both aspects of the Stage2. Or just remove the extra wires going to the DME.


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Default 04-02-2016, 09:23 PM

Thanks Terry. Makes sense.

Adding CANbus would definitely make things much easier for guys like me that like to test different conditions and monitor the changes. Certainly something I would pay extra for but I didn't think my 2012 supports CANbus anyway.

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I have been tempted to make a JB4 for the n63 with CANbus.
This would be amazing, even if it doesn't increase power output at all.

I've been trying hard to find a good datalogging solution for the N63 but am coming up empty. Having this information through the JB4 interface would be awesome, I would also be interested in paying more to upgrade to this.
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OK I'll keep it in mind when time permits.


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Thanks Terry. Makes sense.

Adding CANbus would definitely make things much easier for guys like me that like to test different conditions and monitor the changes. Certainly something I would pay extra for but I didn't think my 2012 supports CANbus anyway.

Thanks for the help. Much appreciated.
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Exactly. Setting open loop to 0 disables the extra fuel control of the Stage2, but not the timing and boost augmentation, so it's not like a Stage1. To run a Stage1 you could set DWP = 0 as well as open loop = 0, to disable both aspects of the Stage2. Or just remove the extra wires going to the DME.
Terry, what is the default Open Loop setting for N63 S2?
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Terry, what is the default Open Loop setting for N63 S2?
I believe default is 60 but any setting of 40-60 is fine for that.


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This is the central thread for all things n63 Stage2 related.

Dyno Testing:

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Our 2011 550i w/ 35k miles
~93 octane (91 octane + 1 can of NOS octane booster)
Carbon filters removed

Dyno notes:
1) The air intake on this system is highly restrictive but removing the carbon filters seemed to improve flow. I'd strongly suggest it for all stages. We'll look in to testing drop in filters and other options to improve overall airflow. In the dynos below we removed the carbon filters after the stock & S1 testing but before the S2 testing.
2) The highest of the dynos was tuned a bit overly aggressive (had two timing drops during the pull) but gives a feeling for what this S2 tuning might do with a race gas mixture rather than straight 93. With a race gas mixture I think another ~20hp is on the table. We'll go back to the dyno after some addl programming changes are implemented to test this out.
3) OEM boost peaked at 10psi, S1 12psi, S2 15psi, and S2 Agr 16psi. Note for some yet unresolved reason our N63 runs 1-2psi more in bank1 than bank2. The figures quoted are averages of both banks.

N63 Stage2 notes:

1) The upgrade kit consists of a new control box and 4 extra wire pairs. The extra wires plug in to the Stage1 harness and then are installed inside the DME box in a "pin out" (fully reversible) configuration. To install these wires you will take apart the DME connector, pull out a factory pin, stick the JB pin in its place, and then plug the factor pin in to a corresponding JB pin to make a complete loop. This will be the only installation method offered.
2) We expect this upgrade will work with all n63 models. It DOES NOT work with n63tu (twin ECU) models.
3) The S2 will not include CANbus access and will not have any can related features. We strongly suggest having a BT cable for code reading, deleting, and datalogging. They are $179 on our site. In addition you will want a $35 BMS USB cable for Stage2 logging and firmware updates. The USB cable is the same one you may have already purchased for your Stage1.
4) Due to fueling limitations this platform will not accept E85 fuels. For higher than pump gas performance we suggest MMT based octane boosters such as NOS RACE & Torco or unleaded race gas.
5) The S1->S2 upgrade kit is $350.
6) We've noticed a lot of n63s throw a MAF sensor code at higher rpm/power levels. In some cases replacing the sensor with a new one has resolved the issue. The best price we've found is at rockauto.com BOSCH Part 0280218270, Mass Air Flow Sensor, $ 119.99.
7) Please do not email me asking for additional N63 S2 information. It is not practical for us to disperse information in a one on one format especially when any information we wish to share publicly is posted in this thread. So if something is not covered feel free to ask it in this thread.

Adjustment:

The Stage2 uses the JB4 interface, not the old Stage1 interface. So update that interface before attempting to connect and/or log.

There are a few user adjustment values that can be played with by more experienced enthusiast. Note any tuning changes especially those done to make the tuning more aggressive should only be done if you are carefully watching timing advance & AFR using a BT cable to ensure the motor is running safely for the fuel and tuning.

Map: On the front page of the interface there is a map drop down box. Map 0 disables the S2 all together. Map 1 enables it. There are no other maps.
Boost Failsafe PSI: This is the part of the aggressiveness setting. Higher numbers means more boost, lower numbers means less boost. Generally a setting of 2.5-3 is suggested.
Default Wastegate Position: This mislabeled setting has to do with how the tune alters the DME's charge air temperature reading. Generally a setting of 2 is suggested which is the algorithm we've worked up to maximize the gains while minimizing the trade offs. A setting of 1 can be used to "lock" the tune in to max aggressive mode. But this will trigger fault codes within the DME during cold starts and may result in your engine cooling fans working a lot harder than they need to. Generally a setting of 1 is good for track or dyno days, and a setting of 2 is good for street use. A higher setting of say 5 or 10 would make the overall tuning less aggressive. A setting of 0 would disable this feature and make the boost curve more similar to the Stage1 tuning.
Open Loop: This controls the overall fueling capacity. The default setting is suggested but a lower setting can be used to lean the mixture out if desired.


I'll update this thread with more info as we have it.


For those helping with beta testing here is the S1->S2 install video and PDF guide:

who this upgrade work wit e70 x5m s63?
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Will this Upgrade work for s63 x5m?
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Default 2011 BMW 550i X-Drive M-Sport - 05-26-2016, 06:38 PM

Just finished installing stage 2 and now my car won't start up? I double checked to make sure everything was connected properly, which it was and the battery has plenty of juice. What could the issue be and how can I fix this?
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Will someone please tell me if these setting look correct for N63 S2 tune? I hear a loud ticking sound from the engine bay (like a faulty contactor or the sound a gas stove igniter makes) when I get on the gas and the car hesitates/surges for about 3 seconds and then the power comes in. Has anyone else experienced this? There no wheelspin and/or DTC light when this happens.
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Hi Terri

is any new firmware update for the 550 n63 stage II
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No firmware updates for the n63 Stage2, but I continue to measure support for adding in CANbus. It's something we're kicking around here to move that platform forward.


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Chiming in with a question:

I recently bought a 2013 X5 50i N63, at least I think it's N63 and not N63tu (still not sure how to check)...

The BMW Stage 1 and Stage 2 *should* work with the X5 N63, right??

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Yes, although the DME area might be difficult to reach on the X5 N63.


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Thanks, Terry! If I'm able to reach the DME, pin outs and connectors are the same, right? Pin outs take me back to the early days of JB2/JB3, ah nostalgia!


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Making some good progress on an N63 JB4... Still some work to go. Will post updates as I have them. Have most of the CANbus data logging working, in dash map switching, boost by gear, and in dash boost gauge up and running. As well a code read/delete.


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Making some good progress on an N63 JB4... Still some work to go. Will post updates as I have them. Have most of the CANbus data logging working, in dash map switching, boost by gear, and in dash boost gauge up and running. As well a code read/delete.
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