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Default 02-07-2019, 07:38 AM

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Just got my Big Red JB4 box in the mail. Super excited to install it on my Type R

Before I install it can you tell me if there is a map to customize boost vs rpm?
I'm really looking for more power on the top end. This way I won't constantly break traction on the low end.

I'm also wondering if you have a valet map to disable boost like just the Kia stinger platform.

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Hey Terry

I see two different different files on the first post.

Which file should I use and what the difference between the two.
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Default 02-07-2019, 08:01 AM

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Hey Terry

I see two different different files on the first post.

Which file should I use and what the difference between the two.

In the OP before the dyno chart pics, you'll find a description of each file.

"Firmware:

JB4_HONDA_1:

1) Enabled CANbus with basic information for engine speed, vehicle speed (to allow boost by speed settings), water temperature, and pedal input. More coming! To activate just update firmware and attach the included OBDII cable to the JB4 harness. Install photos for OBDII coming soon.
1C) Adjusted boost scaling/zero point for more accurate boost display."

So, the "1c" version of the file will be the latest revision.
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Boost mapping by RPM is active via map6, but always start by posting a map1 log so we can ensure it's working properly first.


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My JB4 showed up today! Installation was a breeze; like literally less than five minutes. Went for a short drive around and could immediately tell a difference. Switched to Map2 and could tell even more.

I pulled over when I remembered I needed to flash the update, and that went smooth.

H̶o̶w̶e̶v̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶u̶p̶d̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶O̶B̶D̶I̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶p̶l̶u̶g̶g̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶i̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶(̶s̶a̶y̶,̶ ̶A̶F̶R̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶A̶T̶)̶.̶ ̶P̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶i̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶k̶s̶!̶

Disregard; just realized in the OP it says only a few sensors are working ATM.
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I don't know if the JB4 uses PIDs to get the sensors working, but here are a few (including AIT) that have been figured out so far: PIDs for Torque/Torque Pro? | 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum - CivicX.com
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My JB4 showed up today! Installation was a breeze; like literally less than five minutes. Went for a short drive around and could immediately tell a difference. Switched to Map2 and could tell even more.

I pulled over when I remembered I needed to flash the update, and that went smooth.

H̶o̶w̶e̶v̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶u̶p̶d̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶O̶B̶D̶I̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶p̶l̶u̶g̶g̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶i̶c̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶(̶s̶a̶y̶,̶ ̶A̶F̶R̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶A̶T̶)̶.̶ ̶P̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶i̶s̶e̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶k̶s̶!̶

Disregard; just realized in the OP it says only a few sensors are working ATM.
Looks good so far, thanks! Working on the rest of the CANbus channels.


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Just tried this on my Type R. The Map sensor has a 4 prong connector, Burger gave me a JB4 with a 3 prong connector to the MAP sensor, the TMAP sensor looks lik it will fit, but no chance on the MAP sensor. I have to ask; has Burger ever actually tested a Type R? I feel like I just got the wrong kit, but won't know till the sun shines in cali. Does anyone have a # to call I feel like this could get dragged on for days just typing and waiting for replies?

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Just tried this on my Type R. The Map sensor has a 4 prong connector, Burger gave me a JB4 with a 3 prong connector to the MAP sensor, the TMAP sensor looks lik it will fit, but no chance on the MAP sensor. I have to ask; has Burger ever actually tested a Type R? I feel like I just got the wrong kit, but won't know till the sun shines in cali. Does anyone have a # to call I feel like this could get dragged on for days just typing and waiting for replies?
TypeR uses a different harness with a 4 position connector. We've been converting them by hand for the typeR for now and its sounds like we sent the wrong one.

*** EDIT *** Decided we're not going to ship any more typeR JB4 systems until we have the actual production harness done and can confirm a few more things on the BETA performance mapping. We'll email you a return label for yours and refund it. Sorry for the time waste!


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Default 02-10-2019, 06:39 AM

I've noticed a weird hesitation.

Sometimes it does this, other times it doesn't. Last night I realized there's possibly a correlation between having traction control fully disabled and this happening; I think the only time it happens is when I have it disabled.

You can see it in the attached log; the MPH as I'm accelerating briefly drops by 10MPH, then shoots up, then continues on like normal.



When I get out later I'll see if I can do some more testing to try and confirm it's related to traction control, but I thought you guys would want to know.


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Here is a log from my Touring CVT. Traction control was active for a good portion of the pull. I'll try again without traction control once the weather gets a little nicer out.
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Default 02-10-2019, 09:26 AM

BTW, if anyone doesn't know how to fully disable the traction control:

Parking brake off, foot on the brake pedal.
Long press the VSA button to turn if off, then turn it back on.
Foot off the brake, then engage the parking brake.
Long press the VSA button to turn if off, then turn it back on.
While the parking brake is still engaged, press and hold the brake pedal.
Long press the VSA button to turn if off, then turn it back on.


At this point, you'll have a solid warning light and a flashing warning light, letting you know everything is fully disabled.


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I've noticed a weird hesitation.

Sometimes it does this, other times it doesn't. Last night I realized there's possibly a correlation between having traction control fully disabled and this happening; I think the only time it happens is when I have it disabled.

You can see it in the attached log; the MPH as I'm accelerating briefly drops by 10MPH, then shoots up, then continues on like normal.

When I get out later I'll see if I can do some more testing to try and confirm it's related to traction control, but I thought you guys would want to know.
For tuning advice just post the CSV, we open it in the JB4 windows interface to view.


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Here is a log from my Touring CVT. Traction control was active for a good portion of the pull. I'll try again without traction control once the weather gets a little nicer out.
One current mystery for me on the CVT. Sometimes it shifts, and sometimes it just stays at peak engine speed. Same random behavior stock or tuned. Does anyone know how to control the behavior or is it just up to the trans computer to decide?


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BTW, if anyone doesn't know how to fully disable the traction control:

Parking brake off, foot on the brake pedal.
Long press the VSA button to turn if off, then turn it back on.
Foot off the brake, then engage the parking brake.
Long press the VSA button to turn if off, then turn it back on.
While the parking brake is still engaged, press and hold the brake pedal.
Long press the VSA button to turn if off, then turn it back on.


At this point, you'll have a solid warning light and a flashing warning light, letting you know everything is fully disabled.
Thx!


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For tuning advice just post the CSV, we open it in the JB4 windows interface to view.
Here ya go.
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Don't see any road speed in that specific log?


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Don't see any road speed in that specific log?
I see 'em? Opening it in Excel and scrolling all the way over the to the right; column AK.


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Oh was opening the wrong customers log, oops!

MPH movement like this post shift is normally wheel spin or DSC kicking in.
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TypeR uses a different harness with a 4 position connector. We've been converting them by hand for the typeR for now and its sounds like we sent the wrong one.

*** EDIT *** Decided we're not going to ship any more typeR JB4 systems until we have the actual production harness done and can confirm a few more things on the BETA performance mapping. We'll email you a return label for yours and refund it. Sorry for the time waste!
Hey Terry

I went to install mine today and realized I am in the same boat.

Who should I contact to get my refund.
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Hey Terry

I went to install mine today and realized I am in the same boat.

Who should I contact to get my refund.
On the typeR just email us and we'll get it sorted for you! terry@burgertuning.com.


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Well, tried to recreate the problem today and it didn't happen. Did pulls with traction fully off, pulls with it partially off (just hitting the button), and did pulls with it on (default).

I'll keep my eyes on it and post again if it resurfaces.


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This is actually my way lol.
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Waiting on the through-the-firewall video! (I'm sure I could figure it out myself, but I'm lazy so I'd rather watch someone else do it first, haha.)


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