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We have replacement posi-taps on our site also, should the need arise.
Yeah I get it, but getting those posi-taps on there is a PITA, and dropping one of them is VERY easy to do. I realize the cost of those plugs is probably significant, but being able to avoid that part of the install, and just using loop plugs would make this install a breeze, especially if you give a good video on how to get past that grommet (w/out taking out the ECU). As it is, I need to send my G70 in to the dealer for some work (not mechanical), but still plan to remove the system while that happens. I highly doubt they will notice the positap on the o2 sensor, seeing its not even going in for mechanical work anyway, and they have no business under the hood, but I sure as hell would feel better if I could remove them w/out a single trace as quickly/simply, and reinstall would be breeze as well. Consider it . If it meant another $20 or whatever, I would happily pay for the upgrade if you were to release one


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Default 05-14-2019, 09:22 AM

Things can always be better but I'm not sure all customers would want to pay the extra $100+ it would cost to do it that way. Maybe down the road we'll make a separate more expensive part for those who want it.


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Things can always be better but I'm not sure all customers would want to pay the extra $100+ it would cost to do it that way. Maybe down the road we'll make a separate more expensive part for those who want it.
Holy #*!~ That expensive eh? While I would have to think twice...honestly I might just go for it anyway . There is a lot to be said for simplicity. For those folks who plan to routinely remove this system for dealer maintenance (Genesis folks especially given they get 3 years maintenance free), I think it might very well be worth it.


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^ FYI...I tried my hardest to pop that grommet out. No luck...hence going right through it.


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^ FYI...I tried my hardest to pop that grommet out. No luck...hence going right through it.
Maybe it's a G70 thing vs. Stinger? Ours pushed right out minimal effort.


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^ has to be...as I tried for about 30 min. I gave up...and then spent another 30 min doing it the coat hanger way. So full hour. That is why I am never removing it...LOL. The connectors will be nicely hidden when going to the dealer.


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Its hard to push with the finger. I used a plastic chopstick.
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I got the new denso plugs installed tonight, and gapped to .022. Here are a few pulls. I still do not have the fuel wires installed and the car pulls like a motha, especially in Map 2. Again, very impressed so far. The car already feels substantially faster 0-60 than my 6.4 Scatpack Charger (~420rwhp). I cant wait to see what the fuel wires, and some extra octane will do.

Please let me know how things are going with the logs. Where can we learn how to read these things?
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^ has to be...as I tried for about 30 min. I gave up...and then spent another 30 min doing it the coat hanger way. So full hour. That is why I am never removing it...LOL. The connectors will be nicely hidden when going to the dealer.
yeah i think im going to do the same.....either way, i dont think them finding an obdii connector is going to void jack squat.


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I got the new denso plugs installed tonight, and gapped to .022. Here are a few pulls. I still do not have the fuel wires installed and the car pulls like a motha, especially in Map 2. Again, very impressed so far. The car already feels substantially faster 0-60 than my 6.4 Scatpack Charger (~420rwhp). I cant wait to see what the fuel wires, and some extra octane will do.

Please let me know how things are going with the logs. Where can we learn how to read these things?
Log looks good. Let's see map3 next.
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Thanks Terry!

Unfortunately E85 is quite hard to find around here (Atlanta GA). I may have to try race fuel instead.

I have a guy who is very well known in the Mopar community that produces a fuel additive that has a large following. The product is called Aces IV. It claims to achieve a 10 Octane "effect". It does it through a combination of actual octane boost, and also a cooler/faster flame front, coupled with lubrication to the valves and upper cylinder, which also has an additional cooling effect. Folks have reported that using it with 93 Octane produces similar results as Race Gas. I am definitely planning to put it to the test on the Dyno! Once I get the fuel wires hooked up tomorrow, I will see about scheduling some time at my local AWD Dynojet and see what this ole girl is putting down!


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Terry,

What are you using to generate those graphs? Is that something you can share?


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What are you using to generate those graphs? Is that something you can share?
Open it back up in the app, make sure you're displaying WOT on the axis and export it again as an image.
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Open it back up in the app, make sure you're displaying WOT on the axis and export it again as an image.
NM folks, i created a template on Plot.ly

It took a bit to get it setup, but now all i have to do is copy/paste the data in (I suspect Terry is using the same or similar graphing tool .

Here is a sample


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NM folks, i created a template on Plot.ly

It took a bit to get it setup, but now all i have to do is copy/paste the data in (I suspect Terry is using the same or similar graphing tool .

Here is a sample
Sorry Edit is not working for some reason when using advanced features?
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Got the fuel wires installed and put 5 gals of E85 in and topped it off with 93. Ran for a while on Map 3. It seemed to run like a top! Not a HUGE difference between map 2 from what I can tell, but overall I was still quite impressed. I think my peak boost was about the same as last night on Map 2 logs, but it certainly could be less favorable DA effecting that too. Either way, I am impressed. This G70 is the ultimate sleeper
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I guess i need to post some logs as im still not really impressed with it?? Been on map 3 running e85 mix with fuel wires for over 1k now and i still just dont see or feel much of a difference as people claim. Im 2019 gt rwd andi still barely break traction with everything disabled.
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...Please let me know how things are going with the logs. Where can we learn how to read these things?
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I guess i need to post some logs as im still not really impressed with it?? Been on map 3 running e85 mix with fuel wires for over 1k now and i still just dont see or feel much of a difference as people claim. Im 2019 gt rwd andi still barely break traction with everything disabled.
There is a distinct difference between stocks and jb4. If you're not feeling anything, then something's not hooked up properly. Disconnect everything and reinstall based on instructions.


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Thx, I actually found this, and its not too bad, but there are definitely some inconsistencies between this and our JB4 for the Stinger/Genesis.

One other question I had was what is the scale of timestamp in? It def does not appear to be seconds.....is it .1s = 1?


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There is a distinct difference between stocks and jb4. If you're not feeling anything, then something's not hooked up properly. Disconnect everything and reinstall based on instructions.
Agree, if you are not feeling the difference, you are not properly installed.
There is a MASSIVE difference. Terry specifically added the capability to remove boost for the lower gears to prevent wheel spin. If wheel spin on RWD wasnt an issue, then it wouldnt have made sense to add that feature. You have something wrong man....


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Got the fuel wires installed and put 5 gals of E85 in and topped it off with 93. Ran for a while on Map 3. It seemed to run like a top! Not a HUGE difference between map 2 from what I can tell, but overall I was still quite impressed. I think my peak boost was about the same as last night on Map 2 logs, but it certainly could be less favorable DA effecting that too. Either way, I am impressed. This G70 is the ultimate sleeper
Log looks really clean. You view them in the windows JB4 interface.
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I guess i need to post some logs as im still not really impressed with it?? Been on map 3 running e85 mix with fuel wires for over 1k now and i still just dont see or feel much of a difference as people claim. Im 2019 gt rwd andi still barely break traction with everything disabled.
This is the JB4 support thread... So just post your JB4 CSV logs here if you need assistance!


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Agree, if you are not feeling the difference, you are not properly installed.
There is a MASSIVE difference. Terry specifically added the capability to remove boost for the lower gears to prevent wheel spin. If wheel spin on RWD wasnt an issue, then it wouldnt have made sense to add that feature. You have something wrong man....
No i highly doubt there is anything wrong. Install is easy and straightforward. No hiccups, no cel, its just not a MASSIVE power difference at all. I will post up a log later
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No i highly doubt there is anything wrong. Install is easy and straightforward. No hiccups, no cel, its just not a MASSIVE power difference at all. I will post up a log later
Have you done much modding before, so that you have an idea what it feels like to add 20, 30, 50, 100hp etc?

To give some perspective, my last car was a 6.4 Scatpack Charger. It had ~420 rwhp stock. It was noticably much faster than the 3.3t G70 when I bought it. After putting the JB4 on, my butt dyno would say that even Map2 is noticably FASTER than the charger was. Keep in mind, that this car being AWD and being substantially lighter means i dont need 420hp to beat it. But I know for a fact that I would destroy my old charger with this car in its current state. The stock HP of the G70 was not super impressive to me....but it sure as hell is now. Without having some frame of reference, its really hard to say what "massive" means to you, but to most people adding 75hp or so to a stock car is massive.

Here are the dyno charts for the diff settings.....so this should put things in perspective:


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