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Oh you mean reports of the B58 code delete not working (not just with JB4, but with INPA and other tools also) with some new software update from BMW? I've yet to get a local car in here with the issue to look in to it further. If anyone has one and wants to help the cause, swing on by.
I don't know if you are still looking but I could probably stop by tomorrow as I will be driving from Santa Barbara to Orange County.

I believe this is the same issue I was emailing back and forth with you guys about a few months ago since I was "lucky" enough to be one of the first people with the software update.
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Default 08-25-2018, 02:57 PM

If you can swing by that would be really useful so we could at least capture some data of the issue. Drop me an email terry@burgertuning.com


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I don't know if you are still looking but I could probably stop by tomorrow as I will be driving from Santa Barbara to Orange County.

I believe this is the same issue I was emailing back and forth with you guys about a few months ago since I was "lucky" enough to be one of the first people with the software update.
Thanks for stopping by! Was able to get a little information from your X3 M40:

1) For some reason the DME is not responding to requests from the normal BMW diagnostic ID. Which means none of the JB4's CANbus logging is working, nor are any other BMW tools like BavTech, iCarly, etc.
2) Requests on the basic OBDII diagnostic port go through and are answered. So a special JB4 B58 firmware that migrates CANbus from BMW specific to generic OBDII is one solution here. We'd lose a few things though like cyl 2-6 logging.
3) Most customers who have the issue report JB4 data comes in fine, but the only issue they have is being unable to delete fault codes. I'm wondering how many have the issue where nothing works (intermittently) post update, to determine if #2 is a wide spread issue.
4) For those who can't delete codes, I'm wondering if the OBDII diagnostic code delete command will work. Are any of you able to clear codes with a basic OBDII reader for example?


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Default 08-27-2018, 08:08 AM

Terry are you going to have some sort of a DME back end flash for JB4 users to run aggressive maps and blend some corn like the mission performance folks? I'm on the fence about purchasing JB4 or just going straight flash.


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Terry, I'm having an issue with my jb4 setup. Car has been driving fine the last 7 months. However today when driving the car shut off on me and wouldn't start back up. I click the toggle down buttons to enter the jb4 menu and the menu comes up. But when trying to navigate theough the settings. My tachometer gets frozen and I cant exit out ir toggle anymore. I have to shut the car off and restart the process again. Any kind of help to lead me to fixing this issue is greatly appreciated!! -Anthony
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Default 08-28-2018, 05:07 AM

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Thanks for stopping by! Was able to get a little information from your X3 M40:

1) For some reason the DME is not responding to requests from the normal BMW diagnostic ID. Which means none of the JB4's CANbus logging is working, nor are any other BMW tools like BavTech, iCarly, etc.
2) Requests on the basic OBDII diagnostic port go through and are answered. So a special JB4 B58 firmware that migrates CANbus from BMW specific to generic OBDII is one solution here. We'd lose a few things though like cyl 2-6 logging.
3) Most customers who have the issue report JB4 data comes in fine, but the only issue they have is being unable to delete fault codes. I'm wondering how many have the issue where nothing works (intermittently) post update, to determine if #2 is a wide spread issue.
4) For those who can't delete codes, I'm wondering if the OBDII diagnostic code delete command will work. Are any of you able to clear codes with a basic OBDII reader for example?
This is very interesting. I'm due for service and was going to have my car updated (mostly for the rev match bug) but until there is a resolution here, I'm going to hold off. Any guesses as to why they'd be migrating to this and (seemingly) only on the B58?

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Terry, I'm having an issue with my jb4 setup. Car has been driving fine the last 7 months. However today when driving the car shut off on me and wouldn't start back up. I click the toggle down buttons to enter the jb4 menu and the menu comes up. But when trying to navigate theough the settings. My tachometer gets frozen and I cant exit out ir toggle anymore. I have to shut the car off and restart the process again. Any kind of help to lead me to fixing this issue is greatly appreciated!! -Anthony
Any recent software updates or other hardware changes?

Sounds like a loose connection somewhere if the car has been running normally until now.

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This is very interesting. I'm due for service and was going to have my car updated (mostly for the rev match bug) but until there is a resolution here, I'm going to hold off. Any guesses as to why they'd be migrating to this and (seemingly) only on the B58?
I have no hard proof but it's interesting that they're making this change right around the same time hackers got in to the DME for flashing. Maybe they are blocking the flash path?


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Default 08-30-2018, 01:24 AM

Terry, am I correct in assuming that if I have a P3Cars gauge and a JB4 I should be able to run both without issue if I simply do not connect the CAN side of the JB?


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Terry, am I correct in assuming that if I have a P3Cars gauge and a JB4 I should be able to run both without issue if I simply do not connect the CAN side of the JB?
Yes but then the JB4 can't give you the full power tuning, has to go at it without CANbus.


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Default 08-31-2018, 08:28 AM

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Yes but then the JB4 can't give you the full power tuning, has to go at it without CANbus.
Are there differences between Map 1/2 with and without CANbus?


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Thanks for stopping by! Was able to get a little information from your X3 M40:

1) For some reason the DME is not responding to requests from the normal BMW diagnostic ID. Which means none of the JB4's CANbus logging is working, nor are any other BMW tools like BavTech, iCarly, etc.
2) Requests on the basic OBDII diagnostic port go through and are answered. So a special JB4 B58 firmware that migrates CANbus from BMW specific to generic OBDII is one solution here. We'd lose a few things though like cyl 2-6 logging.
3) Most customers who have the issue report JB4 data comes in fine, but the only issue they have is being unable to delete fault codes. I'm wondering how many have the issue where nothing works (intermittently) post update, to determine if #2 is a wide spread issue.
4) For those who can't delete codes, I'm wondering if the OBDII diagnostic code delete command will work. Are any of you able to clear codes with a basic OBDII reader for example?
I have the code delete and can flap isseus. Does it have Any consequences for tuning? Or Does the jb4 still has the same controle over the ECU as before the update?
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Default 08-31-2018, 07:12 PM

Just installed my JB4. Keeping it on the default map 1 until i log some map 0 and map 1 pulls. I'm on 91 octane so i think map 1 is the only hope at the moment. Hopefully i don't feel any throttle closures.


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Just installed my JB4. Keeping it on the default map 1 until i log some map 0 and map 1 pulls. I'm on 91 octane so i think map 1 is the only hope at the moment. Hopefully i don't feel any throttle closures.
I was in the same boat being in SoCal. You can either find a race gas source and do a blend to raise your total octane or you can also use Boostane/Torco. As long as you don't mind a little orange-ish soot on your exhaust, the octane boosters with MMT work. I've only used Boostane and can verify it works. With about 96 Octane, on either method, I can run map 3 with no issues. Map 5 has been a no-go even with fuel control harness. For more than map 3 you'll need WMI, which can be tough to get if you're in California as it's not legal for business to sell to us.
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Map1 is a great way to go for our craptane.


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I was in the same boat being in SoCal. You can either find a race gas source and do a blend to raise your total octane or you can also use Boostane/Torco. As long as you don't mind a little orange-ish soot on your exhaust, the octane boosters with MMT work. I've only used Boostane and can verify it works. With about 96 Octane, on either method, I can run map 3 with no issues. Map 5 has been a no-go even with fuel control harness. For more than map 3 you'll need WMI, which can be tough to get if you're in California as it's not legal for business to sell to us.
There is Meth for sale at a lot of places here in California. It is not illegal for businesses to sell......
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There is Meth for sale at a lot of places here in California. It is not illegal for businesses to sell......
That interesting... most I've tried will not sell in California to a California resident, BMS included. You can buy a universal setup from some, but not one made for the JB4. Essentially, that's what I was referring to. In the past they were more readily available as "race only" items. Again, only universal systems.
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That interesting... most I've tried will not sell in California to a California resident, BMS included. You can buy a universal setup from some, but not one made for the JB4. Essentially, that's what I was referring to. In the past they were more readily available as "race only" items. Again, only universal systems.
Oh you were referring to the WMI kit, yeah you are correct. For some reason I thought you were talking about methanol in general.
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Map1 is a great way to go for our craptane.
I was thinking about making a map 6. I just need to post logs on map 0 and 1 to see what itís really doing. I tried map 2 with just 1 pull and it hesitated towards redline assuming itís throttle closure from the c4tt3d d or timing pull from piss fuel. Maybe 2 gallons of e85 will help? Iím not sure if Iím a big fan of octane boosters.


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I know it's an ongoing process but can you provide any kind of update and advancement regarding an auto-tune map on the b48/b58 platform ?
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Map 1, 2, 3 and 5 run strong. I have 2.5 gallons of corn in my tank fully topped off with 91 octane. No throttle closures or anything funky surprisingly. I have a third gear going into 4th gear log on map 5 just to make sure AFR is safe. Since then I switched to map 2 just to play it safe. I posted the graph log and attached the CSV log below.

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I know it's an ongoing process but can you provide any kind of update and advancement regarding an auto-tune map on the b48/b58 platform ?
Thanks
The firmware update I'm working on at the moment is pretty cool in that it lets the JB4 independently set its absolute boost target regardless of what is set in the flash map. Previously, we could not target below the flashed boost target. For the stock flash it's OK but now that some customers are running flash maps in addition it will be a nice upgrade. Also gets boost by gear working right so you can go below the flash target in lower gears. Once that is sorted, then I envision working on the auto tuning maps.


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I was in the same boat being in SoCal. You can either find a race gas source and do a blend to raise your total octane or you can also use Boostane/Torco. As long as you don't mind a little orange-ish soot on your exhaust, the octane boosters with MMT work. I've only used Boostane and can verify it works. With about 96 Octane, on either method, I can run map 3 with no issues. Map 5 has been a no-go even with fuel control harness. For more than map 3 you'll need WMI, which can be tough to get if you're in California as it's not legal for business to sell to us.
I have been running map 5 with 91oct and Boostane for almost a year now with no issues. FF and EWG wires installed. Still tinkering with map 6.
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I have been running map 5 with 91oct and Boostane for almost a year now with no issues. FF and EWG wires installed. Still tinkering with map 6.
That's interesting... I can't run map 5 as it starts pulling timing and gets throttle closures after 3rd gear. It may be the high temps outside (105+ still during days). Also, I noticed that Map 3 without FF had better timing and felt faster. I believe I'm on the edge of the fuel limits. I'll be emailing Terry to see if I'm interpreting things correctly. Looks like my next steps are an additive like WMI.
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Default 09-02-2018, 11:43 PM

Hi Terry,

I'm currently on Map 3 and noticed when I connected the Fuel Harness it had an immediate effect on trims. Obviously the default setting are active on that map. Will the EWG harness make changes when connected? What will happen? Please advise. Thanks.
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Hi Terry,

I'm currently on Map 3 and noticed when I connected the Fuel Harness it had an immediate effect on trims. Obviously the default setting are active on that map. Will the EWG harness make changes when connected? What will happen? Please advise. Thanks.
Good luck getting a real straight forward answer. I been trying to figure out if the FOL setting works on the additive maps or strictly map 6 only when you install the fuel pressure pigtail and go in to make the adjustment if required.


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