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I knew you would do this....and I have 100% faith you will deliver unlike others in other forums have promised


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Default 10-16-2012, 03:10 PM

I think at the very least we're pretty transparent with what we're doing and why. And if there exists a way to do it as a less expensive DIY vs. forcing everyone to buy something from us, we're happy to do that too.


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I think at the very least we're pretty transparent with what we're doing and why. And if there exists a way to do it as a less expensive DIY vs. forcing everyone to buy something from us, we're happy to do that too.
I also like he way you address problems that need to be addressed to get the most out of this platform...constant updates.....constant testing. Pretty awesome man!


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Sounds like awesome news there...


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Default 10-16-2012, 04:39 PM

Hey Terry, would you happen to know the fuse rating and wire size? I'd like to confirm we are good to go there before swapping. Would suck to burn up wire or blow fuses under high load.


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Default 10-16-2012, 05:24 PM

Terry are you going to do some 100% e85 testing now?


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Default 10-16-2012, 05:49 PM

Congrats Terry, looking foward to your data.




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Hey Terry, would you happen to know the fuse rating and wire size? I'd like to confirm we are good to go there before swapping. Would suck to burn up wire or blow fuses under high load.
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Is this PnP electrically?
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Default 10-17-2012, 01:09 AM

Could you share the size of that black pipe and the size of that connector between the OEM pipe and the black pipe?

I can't wait to see if it works out?

Will you go 100 E85 for the logs or only test first with 50-50 mix?


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Default 10-17-2012, 08:11 AM

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Is this PnP electrically?
Yes it wires up per the photo, splicing in where you cut the OEM pump wires in the fuel bucket.


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Default 10-17-2012, 08:42 AM

So cool that you are seeing a flat 72psi at the HPFF inlet now. This helps me rest easier at night. Any significant drop (ie. 5psi+) is unnacceptable IMO and now we are beyond all of that.


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Default 10-17-2012, 08:54 AM

Put more miles on it. It's doing a great job of holding up the low fuel pressure. I still see a bit of a high pressure drop at very high power levels even when low pressure is high. But that might be a tuning thing. Now that the low pressure is holding steady I need to rethink some of the higher HP fueling tuning.

Bad news is my trans seems to have taken a turn for the worse. It's picking up "over speed" codes now, and shakes the entire car randomly when shifting. Last night I had to limp it home full of faults. After clearing it seemed to go back to normal but have not put load on it again today. I'll flush the fluid and see if I can keep it going a little longer. If not I will have to bail on the shift sector race. =/


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Default 10-17-2012, 09:38 AM

I thought I had read, but couldn't find the thread, that the M3 LPFP may be a direct replacement. Has anyone entertained this thought any further. Sorry if this has been covered.


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Default 10-17-2012, 10:44 AM

Never looked in to it. It's likely the same pump, as the N54 OEM pump has no problem keeping up with 400whp fueling. Well beyond what the M3 produces.


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Never looked in to it. It's likely the same pump, as the N54 OEM pump has no problem keeping up with 400whp fueling. Well beyond what the M3 produces.
What about M3's with supercharger kits installed? They are making over 400hp.would it be the same pump used?


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Default 10-17-2012, 11:46 AM

You'll have to ask one of their tuners what they use. The only testing I've done regarding in tank pumps relate to the OEM pump and this Walbro.


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This proposed pump upgrade won't work. Look closely at the bottom of the oem LPFP bucket. There is a Venturi jet that uses a dedicated vent from the factory pump to keep the bucket full (even well the surrounding fuel level in the tank is low). Without this vent and functional venturi jet, this important function will be eliminated. In other words, you can't just drop in another pump. Been there, done that.
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Correct. It's really not a feasible option for that reason. When I tried this back in 2010, i ended up having to completely redesign the bucket using an off-the-shelf venturi jet as well as a one way check valve. Ended up being pretty time consuming and costly. I was going to stay quiet let Terry move forward with the product and sell it to the public. But that would cause a lot of people a lot of unnecessary problems as it is the tuners job to understand how this stuff works before suggesting a proposed upgrade.

Here are my thoughts. Feel free to copy my reply over there as well.

Given the bucket position in the tank I concluded it's worth testing without the venturi pickup with the flapper simply floating. It seemed to me it was an unnecessary piece that isn't normally required in other similar fuel tanks. Now if low fuel levels present an issue then the next step is to reconnect the venturi to the new pump which seems easy enough. As it sits I've run it down to around 2.5 gallons so far with no issues.

Also for the record, there is nothing for sale here, nor are there any plans to offer anything for sale. Simply public testing of a possible in tank fuel pump solution. Should we not be able to make this work then I agree an inline pump as you are geared up to sell would be the next best choice. I've stated that from day one. But it's just such a hack I figured it was worth trying to do this the right way first.


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Default 10-17-2012, 01:47 PM

Shiv did manage to stay quite.

I ordered the pump now, i just can't live with out 100% E85...

I'm going dow to get my saw and hammer, this will just fit fine!


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Don't sweat it man. keep doing what you doing...

We all appreciate your transparency and I'm pretty sure you will make it happen.


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Shiv did manage to stay quite.

I ordered the pump now, i just can't live with out 100% E85...

I'm going dow to get my saw and hammer, this will just fit fine!
As has been said you are better served waiting for me to sort out all the details before you jump on board. Unless you are an engineer and enjoy this sort of stuff. In which case I welcome your data!

A few weeks ago I had lots of questions about an N54 in tank solution. Will an aftermarket pump fit with minimal effort? How will the regulator react? How will the fuel pump management unit react? Will this improve fuel pressure? etc. I've answered many of those but we're far from falling this a done deal.


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Is Shiv Japanese for douche?


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As has been said you are better served waiting for me to sort out all the details before you jump on board. Unless you are an engineer and enjoy this sort of stuff. In which case I welcome your data!

A few weeks ago I had lots of questions about an N54 in tank solution. Will an aftermarket pump fit with minimal effort? How will the regulator react? How will the fuel pump management unit react? Will this improve fuel pressure? etc. I've answered many of those but we're far from falling this a done deal.
I love the idea of running only E85 and i'm willing to make my hands dirty for it, loved to play with lego back in the day's. Whats different here?

To be serious i think i can solve it, just got my hands on an other whole n54 LPFP and the housing, it dose not look dramatic to modify, and if it fails i will just put the old one back.

And the Cobb Ap is here now, so if there is any problem with the fuel pump management i think in my case the Cobb AP can solve it, right?

Btw. just had my tranny rebuilt and it had so many problems its unbelievable, so before trying to fix that i would change it to MT instead if i ware you, than you change the rad in the front to an only water cooler which solves the tracking of the car. If i could go back i would do that.

But maybe i'm just really unlucky, since now i have to rebuild part of the engine also...


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Yes, I've been through trans rebuild headaches before on other platforms. I know it can take weeks or longer to sort out. Which is why I've been stalling it for so long. But here we are 2 years later and it seems few proven options exist. =/


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I knew it!! Maybe I was Japanese in another life!?


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