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Default 08-02-2012, 01:23 AM

Yea I'm curious as well...Is the G5 not going to be enough to actually change the DME values to support large turbo set up cars or upgraded twins, RB's ect? Thinking about it, even with the G5 that can adjust CPS enough but we will need an actual flash that can change fuel, cps ect if were trying to go for 600 mark? At the 600whp I think your going to have to upgrade input shafts, different clutch, for auto need some sort of upgrade, probably like level 10. so having that much usable daily power your going to still have to spend some extra bucks just so the car doesnt break... Dont get me wrong, I would love to have 600rwhp, but at the same time I still dont want to dump even more money that these platforms will need for 600whp.... Not sure if I am going to go that far honestly. The car moves already especially with the new E85 map (map 5) and RB's . I have spent alot on this damn car and I just want to enjoy it the way it is for now.


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Default 08-02-2012, 08:08 AM

Hey Terry. Installing RBs next week (finally) and the G5 going in today. Currently have dual CM10s off singe solenoid but have an extra solenoid (and pump as well). Also have the new CM12s if needed as we push higher with this solution.

For the G5 & Cobb, should I drive the 2nd nozzle with the Nitrous PWR wire and trigger only at higher boost levels? Count me in to test and log the maps.

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Default 08-02-2012, 08:32 AM

Also wanted to ask Terry if there is a fuel flow sensor/gauge you recommend to measure meth flow.


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Default 08-02-2012, 08:54 AM

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I have RB's and I just bought the G5, how will the flash affect that vs the G4?
We're suggesting this for all RB customers, now, along with the G5. Although technically with the back end flash you could make some manual flash adjustments to allow the G4 to function similarly to the G5.


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Default 08-02-2012, 08:55 AM

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Hey Terry. Installing RBs next week (finally) and the G5 going in today. Currently have dual CM10s off singe solenoid but have an extra solenoid (and pump as well). Also have the new CM12s if needed as we push higher with this solution.

For the G5 & Cobb, should I drive the 2nd nozzle with the Nitrous PWR wire and trigger only at higher boost levels? Count me in to test and log the maps.

Thanks.
I'd start with a single CM12, the back end flash, and G5, and let's evaluate from there.


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Default 08-02-2012, 09:34 AM

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At the 600whp I think your going to have to upgrade input shafts, different clutch, for auto need some sort of upgrade, probably like level 10. so having that much usable daily power your going to still have to spend some extra bucks just so the car doesnt break... Dont get me wrong, I would love to have 600rwhp, but at the same time I still dont want to dump even more money that these platforms will need for 600whp....
If you are using all the 441 WHP, I see a new clutch in your future.
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Default 08-02-2012, 09:37 AM

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Also wanted to ask Terry if there is a fuel flow sensor/gauge you recommend to measure meth flow.
We sell and suggest the FSB which allows the JB4 to both control and monitor meth flow. But if you want a turbine solution the Aquamist one seems to be the best out there.


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Default 08-02-2012, 11:26 AM

Terry, any plans for making the JB4 cut throttle as a meth safety mechanism for those who want the flash to control boost as well?

Ideally, isolated boost control would alleviate the throttle cut approach as it can target boost instead of a DC additive.


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Terry, any plans for making the JB4 cut throttle as a meth safety mechanism for those who want the flash to control boost as well?

Ideally, isolated boost control would alleviate the throttle cut approach as it can target boost instead of a DC additive.
We may offer something like that in the future but no development there planned short term.


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Default 08-04-2012, 06:12 AM

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Default 08-13-2012, 11:32 AM

PS. If anyone needs a Cobb AP we have a few in stock. Rather than playing the pricing game (I know most sell them for $750 despite Cobb's MAP policy) we instead include custom mapping support, with or without a JB4.

http://burgertuning.com/cobb.html


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Default 08-13-2012, 11:37 AM

That's cool Terry. I think it's a great move on your part and I can't wait to try the Cobb + JB4 combo out with my RB's

Unfortunately my Cobb AP is still stuck in customs, I'm awaiting the invoice which apperently didn't get in the package, and didn't get here yet, so I'll have to dyno without the back-end map tomorrow. I'll be in touch as soon as I get it though
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Default 08-13-2012, 05:09 PM

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Yea I'm curious as well...Is the G5 not going to be enough to actually change the DME values to support large turbo set up cars or upgraded twins, RB's ect? Thinking about it, even with the G5 that can adjust CPS enough but we will need an actual flash that can change fuel, cps ect if were trying to go for 600 mark? At the 600whp I think your going to have to upgrade input shafts, different clutch, for auto need some sort of upgrade, probably like level 10. so having that much usable daily power your going to still have to spend some extra bucks just so the car doesnt break... Dont get me wrong, I would love to have 600rwhp, but at the same time I still dont want to dump even more money that these platforms will need for 600whp.... Not sure if I am going to go that far honestly. The car moves already especially with the new E85 map (map 5) and RB's . I have spent alot on this damn car and I just want to enjoy it the way it is for now.
you have to realize and map out what your goals are. Not many cars can easily reach 500-600hp so easily. Be it the motor itself, transmission, or any other related issue..at some point, there is a weak link
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Default 08-13-2012, 05:48 PM

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PS. If anyone needs a Cobb AP we have a few in stock. Rather than playing the pricing game (I know most sell them for $750 despite Cobb's MAP policy) we instead include custom mapping support, with or without a JB4.

http://burgertuning.com/cobb.html
Good stuff, would this count if we get it from Mike as well? Be the way I have the G5.
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For those we don't offer any dealer programs, so you'd have to order it from us directly.


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Default 08-13-2012, 10:42 PM

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you have to realize and map out what your goals are. Not many cars can easily reach 500-600hp so easily. Be it the motor itself, transmission, or any other related issue..at some point, there is a weak link
This is very true


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Default 08-16-2012, 05:18 AM

On stock turbos with FBO and meth, any ideas on approx whp deltas vs jb4 15ohm?
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Default 08-16-2012, 05:57 AM

if your car responds well to jb4 and has good afr and perfect timing curves you can only make so much power. But Cobb should clean things up and be more consistent on the fueling/timing end.


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On stock turbos with FBO and meth, any ideas on approx whp deltas vs jb4 15ohm?
The back end flash will likely be worth 0hp on stock turbos + meth.

Where it can benefit is those running E85 with stock turbos, where fuel trims are maxed out holding back performance.


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The back end flash will likely be worth 0hp on stock turbos + meth.

Where it can benefit is those running E85 with stock turbos, where fuel trims are maxed out holding back performance.
Whoops.. sorry, should have clarified, e85 as well.
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Any ETA on RB's, Backend Flash, JB4 dynos?
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Any ETA on RB's, Backend Flash, JB4 dynos?
Back end flash mapping is available now. Our white 135i is waiting for a new injector to come in.


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Default 08-19-2012, 05:58 PM

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PS. If anyone needs a Cobb AP we have a few in stock. Rather than playing the pricing game (I know most sell them for $750 despite Cobb's MAP policy) we instead include custom mapping support, with or without a JB4.

http://burgertuning.com/cobb.html
That's a great deal. I'll hit you up for one soon Terry. I run a E85 mix all the time. Trims are quite high but not fully maxed as yet.


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Back end flash mapping is available now. Our white 135i is waiting for a new injector to come in.
Hey Terry, where do we download the map/s?


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Default 08-20-2012, 07:22 AM

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Hey Terry, where do we download the map/s?
if you refer to the cobb map you need to send a mail to terry since there are many ECU versions.
if you refer to the G5 maps those are in the G5 sticky thread


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