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Default New to update ISO FW - 08-23-2018, 10:59 AM

Hi,Last night I just update my firmware to iso_11. Cut the diode, adjust PID 25, Gain 25, and auto shift reduction to 60. Also FF to 100.

If some can review my logs of map1. I have all the mods to use map2 just one to know if my car are ready on 93 oct.

How I know if I need to change my FF value? What I need to do to maintain throttle open almost open.
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Default 08-23-2018, 11:07 AM

Log looks OK. Why would you want to maintain the throttle open? It's used to regulate boost, not regulate engine speed, in F chassis motors.


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Default 08-23-2018, 02:16 PM

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Log looks OK. Why would you want to maintain the throttle open? It's used to regulate boost, not regulate engine speed, in F chassis motors.
thanks, so you think it's not necessary to play with FF and base dutycycle.


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Default 08-23-2018, 03:11 PM

No they will adjust themselves as needed.


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Default 08-30-2018, 03:07 PM

Decided to move from MHD stage 2+ to JB4 + BMS BEF, these are my first logs. Did some pulls on map5 and then map2.

My car is an F30 N55 PWG 2013 FBO with NGK 95770 spark plugs gapped to 0.020 and running latest ISO Firmware on JB4 11_T3 and latest BEF map from 8/2/18

Used crappy pump fuel (the only one available in my country like 89 oct or less) + Torco octane booster (used 1 can for 5 gallons of gas)
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Default 08-30-2018, 07:48 PM

Could someone please take a look at my log and let me know if it's looking ok, I think it is, car pull so much stronger and smoother with the MHD and JB4 e85 BEF, Map 7 with e50ish. thank you
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Default 08-31-2018, 05:00 AM

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Could someone please take a look at my log and let me know if it's looking ok, I think it is, car pull so much stronger and smoother with the MHD and JB4 e85 BEF, Map 7 with e50ish. thank you
i am not an expert in reading logs but at the first of the pull your Fuel Pressure Dipped to 8 which cussed your AFR to to drop to 12.3 which is dangerous on the car

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Default 08-31-2018, 06:15 AM

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i am not an expert in reading logs but at the first of the pull your Fuel Pressure Dipped to 8 which cussed your AFR to to drop to 12.3 which is dangerous on the car

wait for terry to confirm
Thank you, I'll wait to see what Terry says. Maybe I need to reduce my ethanol %


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Default 08-31-2018, 06:50 AM

It dipped because of overboosting, no? Very short period of time too. Is that enough to casue damage?


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Default 08-31-2018, 07:03 AM

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i am not an expert in reading logs but at the first of the pull your Fuel Pressure Dipped to 8 which cussed your AFR to to drop to 12.3 which is dangerous on the car

wait for terry to confirm
If fuel pressure drops, then I would think the car would run lean and you'd see a higher AFR.

An AFR in the 12.5:1 area is expected in these cars under heavy load, i.e. WOT.


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Default 08-31-2018, 08:57 AM

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Decided to move from MHD stage 2+ to JB4 + BMS BEF, these are my first logs. Did some pulls on map5 and then map2.

My car is an F30 N55 PWG 2013 FBO with NGK 95770 spark plugs gapped to 0.020 and running latest ISO Firmware on JB4 11_T3 and latest BEF map from 8/2/18

Used crappy pump fuel (the only one available in my country like 89 oct or less) + Torco octane booster (used 1 can for 5 gallons of gas)
You saw my other reply to you right? Set FF up to 100 and relog!


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Default 08-31-2018, 08:58 AM

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Could someone please take a look at my log and let me know if it's looking ok, I think it is, car pull so much stronger and smoother with the MHD and JB4 e85 BEF, Map 7 with e50ish. thank you
Looks clean to me! Minor fuel pressure drop but not enough to worry about.
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Default 08-31-2018, 09:01 AM

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thanks, so you think it's not necessary to play with FF and base dutycycle.
No boost targeting looks good. The PWG ISO firmware auto tunes duty bias for you, so you'd only have to scale FF. Generally a setting of 100 FF works well for most. If you are consistently under boosting after some adaption runs you could raise it a bit to say 115, and if over boosting consistently lower to say 85. But what happens is the individual duty bias values will learn up or down as you go to get boost on target over time.


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Default 09-04-2018, 12:38 PM

Could you explain the purpose of menu9 and menu10
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Added menu9 in dash for base dutycycle, and menu10 in dash for pedal mapping. Default on menu9 is 1800rpm but experiment with higher values to get boost response on. Default on menu10 is 0rpm but we suggest playing with higher values to improve pedal response.
Used to set minimum wastegate dutycycle, and how aggressive the boost target is as a function of pedal input.


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Default 09-09-2018, 10:36 AM

Terry,

Can you provide a little insight as to the difference between the base duty cycle (the menu 9 you added) and the default wastegate position? Recommendations for default set up for a larger turbo? Should a default wastegate position be set lower if overboosting on tip in? I know the PWG is a PIA to control for boost...


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Default 09-25-2018, 06:37 AM

My pedal response is getting sloppy with time in comfort mode. Am I tripping or something is going on. lol Do I need to reflash both, BEF and ISO. How menu 10 works to improve this? Default is 0 meaning what?


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Terry,

Can you provide a little insight as to the difference between the base duty cycle (the menu 9 you added) and the default wastegate position? Recommendations for default set up for a larger turbo? Should a default wastegate position be set lower if overboosting on tip in? I know the PWG is a PIA to control for boost...
Base dutycycle is global, WGDC shall never fall below that value.

DWP is the default position of the wastegate when not under boost. Once you start making a little boost this setting is no longer active.

For larger turbos I'd have to see the log. Normally DWP can stay at 60-100 or whatever you prefer, doesn't matter much. But base duty cycle may need to be reduced if the wastegate is adjusted "tight" or raised if adjusted "loose".


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Default 09-25-2018, 02:29 PM

Terry, what symptoms would you look for to know if wastegate is loose or tight and would you change dwp up or down.

I too have issues with lazy throttle/boost during normal drivingn 0-3/8 or more throttle there’s no power/boost. Then you hit half throttle and bam boost hits like a train. This happened with Stock turbo and also is an issue on every jb4 I have seen. It’s so annoying and causes “boost lower than expected” code to pop up on dash when driving part throttle.

Can we have the boost be controlled directly from dme until a certain psi and then boost added past that. Even having Stock boost control but higher psi from jb4 would be 100 times better than how it is

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Base dutycycle is global, WGDC shall never fall below that value.

DWP is the default position of the wastegate when not under boost. Once you start making a little boost this setting is no longer active.

For larger turbos I'd have to see the log. Normally DWP can stay at 60-100 or whatever you prefer, doesn't matter much. But base duty cycle may need to be reduced if the wastegate is adjusted "tight" or raised if adjusted "loose".
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I too have issues with lazy throttle/boost during normal drivingn 0-3/8 or more throttle there’s no power/boost. Then you hit half throttle and bam boost hits like a train. This happened with Stock turbo and also is an issue on every jb4 I have seen. It’s so annoying and causes “boost lower than expected” code to pop up on dash when driving part throttle.

Can we have the boost be controlled directly from dme until a certain psi and then boost added past that. Even having Stock boost control but higher psi from jb4 would be 100 times better than how it is
Pretty much same here in comfort mode normal driving. I have to push my pedal way deep like 65% to get boost going. Then drivertrain malfunction. In Sport+ manual it doesn't happen.


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Log of the specific issue so we can see what boost target and pedal input is under that situation?


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Log of the specific issue so we can see what boost target and pedal input is under that situation?
Here is mine today in the morning.
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What is base dutycycle set to?


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I’ve sent you logs of when it does it and you don’t reply
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What is base dutycycle set to?
Mine? Does it show in the log? Or it's on the hidden menu. I don't see it on the app which is what I use.


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