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Hey guys a little confuse here debating on whether to go with Stage1 or Stage2, I'm not a big modder by any means but want to get the most out of my N20 BMW X3 28i engine while keep components stock and using the best tune available.
The JB4 is a stronger better tune. But is a little harder to install. While the Stage1 basically runs +3psi over stock. For the ease of install and gains the Stage1 is very popular but it's not a JB4...

When comparing dynos fuel, weather, etc, all play a big role. 91 octane makes less power than 93 and both make much less than racing fuel.


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Just installed the ewg harness on my 20i and did a run on map 1 after. The car now pulled a bit stronger and smoother especially on the high range. Anyone feel the same?[/QUOT

yes, I feel the same
installed ewg on my 320i stage 2 and er down pipe last week, powerwise feels same, maybe small diference but cant tell, but it does feels something diferent, smoother for sure, pulls strong like always.. nice little upgrade
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Default 12-01-2014, 12:38 PM

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The JB4 is a stronger better tune. But is a little harder to install. While the Stage1 basically runs +3psi over stock. For the ease of install and gains the Stage1 is very popular but it's not a JB4...

When comparing dynos fuel, weather, etc, all play a big role. 91 octane makes less power than 93 and both make much less than racing fuel.
thank you Terry!
I have octane 93 and looks like I am planning on getting stage1 as I don't feel comfortable to do the extra wires for installation or have the time take advantage of JB4.

I just ran using Shell 93 octane 0-40 and 0-50 using launch control and sport display on my X3 28i and it showed 242-245HP and 260-265torque .. (2 runs) since I don't have the money for a real dyno.

How much of a difference will I notice with Stage1?
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Default 12-01-2014, 01:45 PM

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thank you Terry!
I have octane 93 and looks like I am planning on getting stage1 as I don't feel comfortable to do the extra wires for installation or have the time take advantage of JB4.

I just ran using Shell 93 octane 0-40 and 0-50 using launch control and sport display on my X3 28i and it showed 242-245HP and 260-265torque .. (2 runs) since I don't have the money for a real dyno.

How much of a difference will I notice with Stage1?
Expect to gain around 30-40 "crank hp". Note gauges will continue to show the stock values as they don't measure actual HP.


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Default 12-10-2014, 11:26 AM

Hi Terry
Have you solve the EWG issue?
How much psi is the max boost now ?
For the 320i
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Default 12-10-2014, 11:30 AM

The 320i has fueling and timing issues when running more than 10psi over stock. So we've capped boost to no more than 10psi over stock. Which means you can use map 1 when on E85 but it won't be as strong as map 1 on a 328i. Maybe more like 18psi instead of 21psi.


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Default 12-15-2014, 11:44 AM

Finally finished reading through all 35 pages of this thread but still unclear as to what map I should be in when I'm mixing E85 (I am running the FF wires). Vehicle is a 2014 228i n20 with electronic waste gate. Vehicle is a full bolt (AR design c@tless dp, Injen intake, ER intercooler, rolloface charge pipe, muffler delete and a Hexon racing turbo upgrade). I'll set it to map 2 when I'm running 2 gallons of e85 when mixed with about 7 gallons of 91 octane and at WOT in the high rpm the car will just back fire and go into limp mode. Also seems to do that when running map 1 at WOT on 91 octane.

The car dynod at 301 WHP (dynapack) with the AFE scorcher module on 91 octane and all I can say is that the JB4 made a huge difference in power compared to the Afe tune. Can't wait to get her running properly and do a dyno session with the JB4.
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Default 12-15-2014, 11:47 AM

The N20 EWG is not very E85 friendly. I'd stay on map 1 and mix no more than 30%. If you have any tuning issues post a log and any codes in the support section and we can check that out for you.


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Default 12-18-2014, 06:44 AM

I installed the Stage 1 on my 2014, 320i Xdrive last night. The install was very easy. My car has the EWG so I stripped off the wire loom on the blue wires, which made it easier to bundle up the wires and store them next to the module. The MAF connector was awkward to access but a dental pick allowed me to release the clip from underneath.

The throttle response is much better and where previously the transmission would downshift on hills, it does not now. I am impressed. This is the way BMW should have sold the car.

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Default 12-19-2014, 12:48 PM

I'm picking up a 5 gallon jug of C16 fuel tonight in preparation for a dyno session tomorrow at European Auto Source. Crossing my fingers that the car doesn't blow up on map 7 lol

I'll make sure to do some logging while on the dyno.
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I'm picking up a 5 gallon jug of C16 fuel tonight in preparation for a dyno session tomorrow at European Auto Source. Crossing my fingers that the car doesn't blow up on map 7 lol

I'll make sure to do some logging while on the dyno.
If you are EWG I would not use map 7. Maybe map 2 but before doing anything I'd log it.


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Default 12-19-2014, 01:05 PM

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If you are EWG I would not use map 7. Maybe map 2 but before doing anything I'd log it.
Yes sir I do have EWG.
Dang it... I thought I would be able to run map 7 with race fuel
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Default 12-19-2014, 01:07 PM

You may throw a rod through the block as others have. I'd have to see logs to offer specific advice but I'd stay with map 2 personally at least until you're sure everything looks good. Also note leaded race fuel will damage o2 sensors. You should be using unleaded race fuel.


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Default 12-20-2014, 12:40 AM

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Finally finished reading through all 35 pages of this thread but still unclear as to what map I should be in when I'm mixing E85 (I am running the FF wires). Vehicle is a 2014 228i n20 with electronic waste gate. Vehicle is a full bolt (AR design c@tless dp, Injen intake, ER intercooler, rolloface charge pipe, muffler delete and a Hexon racing turbo upgrade). I'll set it to map 2 when I'm running 2 gallons of e85 when mixed with about 7 gallons of 91 octane and at WOT in the high rpm the car will just back fire and go into limp mode. Also seems to do that when running map 1 at WOT on 91 octane.

The car dynod at 301 WHP (dynapack) with the AFE scorcher module on 91 octane and all I can say is that the JB4 made a huge difference in power compared to the Afe tune. Can't wait to get her running properly and do a dyno session with the JB4.
can you share the link to that company who did turbo upgrade ?


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can you share the link to that company who did turbo upgrade ?
They don't have a website per se AFAIK. They do have a facebook page though
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Default 12-23-2014, 01:23 PM

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can you share the link to that company who did turbo upgrade ?
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They don't have a website per se AFAIK. They do have a facebook page though
These are the guys that I got my turbo from:
http://www.hexonautowerks.com/products_list.php
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Default 12-23-2014, 07:23 PM

Hi,

I am using JB4 stage 2 from 4 month on my 320I (wo EWG) with sw N20_JB4_FSERIES_6_2... i recently updated to the latest sw N20_JB4_FSERIES_6_3.

With the same daily trip in eco pro mode, the consumption of the car increase about 2l /100km, it means, my car did 100 miles less so, i reverted to the previous version, and now everything is ok...

FYI, i did an update of the DDE with the latest sw from BMW (istap 53.4).
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Default 12-23-2014, 07:28 PM

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These are the guys that I got my turbo from:
http://www.hexonautowerks.com/products_list.php
I didn't know there was a website. I googled it but never found them

Btw, did you have time to dyno the car? How is it doing?

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Default 12-24-2014, 10:37 AM

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These are the guys that I got my turbo from:
http://www.hexonautowerks.com/products_list.php
Great thanks man, can't wait to see another dyno with JB4 compared to the AFE 301 whp


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Default 12-26-2014, 08:02 AM

With more rumours and seemingly legitimate claims that the F30 ECU has been cracked, how will that interface with the JB4?

What can we expect?
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Default 12-26-2014, 11:26 AM

The JB4 can already max out the platform and then some. So having a back end flash available is of no particular significance to most.

Maybe for the 320i platforms we'll be able to push those a bit harder. And it will come in handy for N20 turbo upgrades where the car has already had the rods/pistons replaced with stronger pieces that can withstand additional torque.


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Default 12-27-2014, 02:04 PM

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Great thanks man, can't wait to see another dyno with JB4 compared to the AFE 301 whp
The car actually read less power at EAS (european auto source) with the JB4 stage 2 map 7 w/100 octane on the Dyno Jet as opposed to the DynaPack at Road Race Engineering with the AFE tune w/ 91 octane. I'll be going back to Road race Engineering to do another dyno session with the jb4 on map 7 and 100 octane to see what is really going on with the difference in hp numbers. *EAS screwed up on my dyno sheet, my 228i has the N20 w/ 8 speed sport auto tranny*

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Default 12-27-2014, 02:23 PM

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And it will come in handy for N20 turbo upgrades where the car has already had the rods/pistons replaced with stronger pieces that can withstand additional torque.
You think the delay in onset of torque from the upgraded turbo may help at all? We are chomping at the bit on upgrading these N20 turbos. We have well over 20 units, disassembled, cleaned/etc… only waiting on the need to arise for an upgraded unit to be tested.

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Default 12-27-2014, 03:27 PM

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You think the delay in onset of torque from the upgraded turbo may help at all? We are chomping at the bit on upgrading these N20 turbos. We have well over 20 units, disassembled, cleaned/etc… only waiting on the need to arise for an upgraded unit to be tested.

Rob
It could help but I just don't know. Someone will need to bite the bullet and test it out.


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