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Default Trims & both bank AFRs oscillating +car jerking while highway cruising w/steady pedal - 05-23-2016, 05:38 PM

Just like the title says. Trims and AFRs oscillate while highway driving with a steady pedal. Only happens once in a while as you can see in the logs. Have not changed any settings for a long time. Just started happening recently. Logs posted. Any help appreciated.
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Default 05-23-2016, 08:00 PM

Curious to see what advice you receive. I still have this issue intermittently.


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It's from having the wastegate so closed during cruise. Lower DWP (menu10 in dash) as needed.
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Terry i have tried DWP at 0, 10, 20 and so on. Problem is still there. Cleaned MAP sensor. Checked all connections for boost leaks. Weird because car sounds very different now at 80 DWP than it used to. Maybe boost solenoid going bad? Anyway to tell from that log? I had the solenoid resistors on the jb4 board replaced by you last year. But last year i lost boost completely when the resistor failed. This time the car builds boost but just sounds very different and not smooth at all.


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Default 05-30-2016, 03:51 AM

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Just like the title says. Trims and AFRs oscillate while highway driving with a steady pedal. Only happens once in a while as you can see in the logs. Have not changed any settings for a long time. Just started happening recently. Logs posted. Any help appreciated.
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Terry i have tried DWP at 0, 10, 20 and so on. Problem is still there. Cleaned MAP sensor. Checked all connections for boost leaks. Weird because car sounds very different now at 80 DWP than it used to. Maybe boost solenoid going bad? Anyway to tell from that log? I had the solenoid resistors on the jb4 board replaced by you last year. But last year i lost boost completely when the resistor failed. This time the car builds boost but just sounds very different and not smooth at all.
Same issue in the below thread
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...252#post473252


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Still have not resolved this issue. Lowering DWP does not help. Map0 or in any map problem is still there. Tried several different flashes - nothing. Here is another log from today. Any help is appreciated.
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Default 06-05-2016, 02:42 AM

I found lowering menu 10 appeared to help but mine still does it too


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No menu 10 does not help. Disconnecting jb4 doesnt help too. Some sensor is on its way out.


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Let me know if you figure out which one it is


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Let me know if you figure out which one it is
I read in other forum that solution founded out, was a full DME firmware update,
Modules updated were ECU, TCU & CAS.
Hope that help but i did not do it sofar. If you did the update please keep me informed.
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Default 06-07-2016, 06:05 PM

Could also be a faulty TMAP sensor, ground issue, etc.


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Set menu 11= 3.5k please. Then let us know if it is still there


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Yes i have tried playing with menu 10, 11, and 12. It does not help. I have put the stock tmap in with no change. Its so annoying.


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11.92@123.6 (JB4 ISO, DCI, IC, **, DR, on e45 & 17psi)(2013)
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I read in other forum that solution founded out, was a full DME firmware update,
Modules updated were ECU, TCU & CAS.
Hope that help but i did not do it sofar. If you did the update please keep me informed.
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Could also be a faulty TMAP sensor, ground issue, etc.
I put the stock tmap no change
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Set menu 11= 3.5k please. Then let us know if it is still there
I have tried 11=3.5k and 0.5k also no change.

Now i'm thinking it could be from the pedal, tomorrow i will try clever move to use the cruise control other step i will remove the JB4 and flash back to stock.
What make me crazy that WOT and idle it's fine, when press the pedal with no gear engaged the rpm swinging and hard to keep it steady and sound of banging only @rpm 1600-1800 were the oscillating occur.


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Cruise control on or off the problem is still there. So that rules out the pedal itself?

Also i dont know if this is normal but i have the same thing where lets say i keep pedal at 10% idling in P and the RPMs fluctuate 1500-1800 or so.


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11.92@123.6 (JB4 ISO, DCI, IC, **, DR, on e45 & 17psi)(2013)
444whp/481wtq @19psi and e60 (2013)

2013 X3 xDrive28i M-package
JB4, K&N drop-in, ER downtube, Map 2 @ 22psi on 93

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exact same issue here with no solution. I've been emailing Terry back and forth for weeks now with no solution. It just started out of nowhere and no setting fixes it. I've checked extensively for vacuum leaks and couldn't find one. Swapped throttle bodies with a friend no change. Messed with all menus. Cleaned and swapped vanos solenoids, tmap, tried stock charge pipe still no change.
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I have also done all of those things minus throttle body and CP. If you find a solution please please let me know. Thanks.


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11.92@123.6 (JB4 ISO, DCI, IC, **, DR, on e45 & 17psi)(2013)
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Ok now hesitation and oscillation had increased, i made small test i kept my foot on pedal so i can have a steady RPM but i can't between 1400 - 1700 i decided to take the vacuum line off from the part connected to the HPFP and the hesitation and oscillation is there with noticeable smoke (clouds) i think due to bad turbo. but could they cause such symptoms. i have "2C7B Lambda probe behind catalytic converter 2, signal" code but only every while.
does anyone else have same smoke. logs attached to see how bad the RPM fluctuating.
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I had a thread here before a month complaining about the same drivabilty issue. It happened suddenly. Terry suggested to try change menu 12 to lower value based on my duty bias. It solved the problem momenterly.

But it's happening again. No matter what I do and which map it will drive the same. I tried map 0 and cruise control. The same problem presist.

I hate driving the car these days because of this issue. I hope the root cause will be found soon.

BTW I have 3.5bar TMAP.
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Ok now hesitation and oscillation had increased
This looks like the classic menu10 set too high for the driving style case. What happens with DWP=0? Do the same log like that. And based on that I have a few ideas on things we can try with the firmware.
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Terry whatever change you made in 32_5 seems to have helped tremendously the issue is still there but much less noticeable and only at a narrower pedal position it seems. Very hard to replicate now.
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Terry whatever change you made in 32_5 seems to have helped tremendously the issue is still there but much less noticeable and only at a narrower pedal position it seems. Very hard to replicate now.
For me, 32_5 didnt change anything. Maybe even made it worse.


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I also cannot keep a steady RPM between 1400-1700.


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11.92@123.6 (JB4 ISO, DCI, IC, **, DR, on e45 & 17psi)(2013)
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I also cannot keep a steady RPM between 1400-1700.
Same here. It will be fluctuating between this rpm range.
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This looks like the classic menu10 set too high for the driving style case. What happens with DWP=0? Do the same log like that. And based on that I have a few ideas on things we can try with the firmware.
The menus 10, 11 & 12 already have been sets to default values 3000, 1000 & 2800. additionally one of the log was with the vacuum line off is that do the same as DWP=0. well, i will do so and log again.
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