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Default 03-07-2019, 07:17 AM

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i'm gonna just ignore you from now on , do what you want in your own little world .
Smart move, curious to see what results you'll get when you have the wedge map loaded. Stay focused on your project, great to read & thanks for your effort.


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Smart move, curious to see what results you'll get when you have the wedge map loaded. Stay focused on your project, great to read & thanks for your effort.
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Default 03-07-2019, 02:35 PM

Hey IK6Speed...shut the **** up.
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Default 03-07-2019, 10:15 PM

I think everyone has the right and freedom to say just about anything they feel's important to communicate with others. Not everyone see's things like you though and visa versa. I think IK6 has valid points. We all want this to be legit; IK6 has his own way of expressing it. Maybe it's fear of failure for the community(associative empathy) or anxiousness to come to a conclusion(OCD) that's coming out as spiteful skepticism. Whatever it is; he's here for the long haul, just like the rest of us so let's not drag this out for another 3 pages...
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Default 03-08-2019, 06:27 AM

Looking around on the forums, I see that the B58 flash tunes are making around 420 whp and people pushing it with JB4 are making around 525 whp, all on stock fueling. Granted, the JB4 guys without flash tuning are running around 14 AFRs due to the DME fueling issues, but that translates to around 470 whp with 12.5 AFRs. Of course the B58 makes power more efficiently than the N55, but it definitely looks like the B58 pump has the ability to support power between 450 and 500 whp. I've also seen at least one report of full E85 used on a B58 car. I'm super excited to see results of this pump on the N55 being pushed hard.


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Default 03-08-2019, 07:09 AM

[QUOTE=Granted, the JB4 guys without flash tuning are running around 14 AFRs due to the DME fueling issues, but that translates to around 470 whp with 12.5 AFRs. Of course the B58 makes power more efficiently than the N55, but it definitely looks like the B58 pump has the ability to support power between 450 and 500 whp. I'm super excited to see results![/QUOTE]

Curious: What afr's do B58's get when reaching for the higher HP? It'd be interesting to compare HP from both(N55 vs. B58) at a common 12.5/1 target afr. Or better yet, HPFP efficiency(0-5v).
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Default 03-08-2019, 08:34 PM

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I think everyone has the right and freedom to say just about anything they feel's important to communicate with others. Not everyone see's things like you though and visa versa. I think IK6 has valid points. We all want this to be legit; IK6 has his own way of expressing it. Maybe it's fear of failure for the community(associative empathy) or anxiousness to come to a conclusion(OCD) that's coming out as spiteful skepticism. Whatever it is; he's here for the long haul, just like the rest of us so let's not drag this out for another 3 pages...
I actually had logs reversed. OP made 14bhp LESS peak with newer B58 pump.

Not skepticism, simply reading the OP supplied data instead of everyone else’s Emperor ‘s New Clothes narrative.

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Default 03-08-2019, 08:49 PM

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I actually had logs reversed. OP made 14bhp LESS peak with newer B58 pump.

Not skepticism, simply reading the OP supplied data instead of everyone elseís Emperor Ďs New Clothes approach.
If you didn't change the tune and installed a higher flow mechanical fuel pump, additional parasitic loss would be expected, all other things being equal. It's almost like someone installing a huge water pump and radiator without any tuning and calling it useless because there's no power added.
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Default 03-08-2019, 08:58 PM

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If you didn't change the tune and installed a higher flow mechanical fuel pump, additional parasitic loss would be expected, all other things being equal. It's almost like someone installing a huge water pump and radiator without any tuning and calling it useless because there's no power added.
Show me the performance data.

Until then, everyone else is speculating.
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:07 PM

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Show me the performance data.

Until then, everyone else is speculating.
Higher pressure than stock isn't speculating, though someone drawing other conclusions based on that is. I personally think such speculation is logical because of induction, as many cases of higher fuel pressure in the past have resulted in higher power capacity. Let's wait and see though.
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:18 PM

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Higher pressure than stock isn't speculating, though someone drawing other conclusions based on that is. I personally think such speculation is logical because of induction, as many cases of higher fuel pressure in the past have resulted in higher power capacity. Let's wait and see though.
However the N55 HPFP made higher boost psi than the B58 in the data provided.

Again, why am I the only one that is actually reading the data?
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:22 PM

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However the N55 HPFP made higher boost psi than the B58 in the data provided.

Again, why am I the only one that is actually reading the data?
Boost isn't a constant in reality obviously, but over double the fuel pressure is a real difference as opposed to <10% boost psi.
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:37 PM

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Boost isn't a constant in reality obviously, but over double the fuel pressure is a real difference as opposed to <10% boost psi.
DOUBLE THE FUEL PRESSURE

N55 HPFP wins again.
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:49 PM

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DOUBLE THE FUEL PRESSURE

N55 HPFP wins again.
I was referring to 859 vs 2047 in the OP.
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Default 03-08-2019, 09:53 PM

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I was referring to 859 vs 2047 in the OP.
Yes, the narrative version instead of the data.

As I said, I must be only one reading the data.

Sad.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:03 PM

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Yes, the narrative version instead of the data.

As I said, I must be only one reading the data.

Sad.
Where are the notations of measure? The scale could be anything.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:09 PM

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Where are the notations of measure? The scale could be anything.


Itís the original photo from post #1!!!!!

No matter the range, you do not measure one in the deepest depth of the trough and the other at the top unless you are stupid or trying to fool yourself and others.

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Default 03-08-2019, 10:17 PM

Yeah you do, if the minimum is the most important measure, like with HPFP.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:23 PM

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Yeah you do, if the minimum is the most important measure, like with HPFP.
Measure both in trough then.

This is basic common sense.

The B58 HPFP WAS NOT MEASURED AT MINIMUM....actually the reverse.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:25 PM

OK, what's the comparison from minimum to minimum by the numbers?
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:27 PM

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OK, what's the comparison from minimum to minimum by the numbers?
I’ll let you read the data.

Should be educational for you.

However, I should warn you what IS REALLY important is the requested which is left out of the N55 data.

A tuner can setup a tune to max out at 18, 20 PSI or whatever.

That has nothing to do with what a HPFP can deliver. That’s why the peak is so important imo in comparing the capabilities of the 2 HPFP. To get a glimpse of what the high end is.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:30 PM

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Iíll let you read the data.
I thought you were the ace at reading the data, so what's the difference? I bet it's significant, favoring the B58 pump, unless you have further information.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:33 PM

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I thought you were the ace at reading the data, so what's the difference? I bet it's significant, favoring the B58 pump, unless you have further information.
You couldnít even see the bias in graphs, so obviously not worth dealing with you.

You stated to wait for results and now you refuse to look for them.

Go waste your $200 and get back to us.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:36 PM

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You couldnít even see the bias in graphs, so obviously not worth dealing with you.

You stated to wait for results and now you refuse to look for them.

Go waste your $200 and get back to us.
If you don't know what the results are how can you say they're not worth it. And I thought it was way more than $200 and already have auxilary fueling.
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Default 03-08-2019, 10:39 PM

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If you don't know what the results are how can you say they're not worth it. And I thought it was way more than $200 and already have auxilary fueling.
I do know the results.

Only you donít.
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