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Default 07-06-2017, 07:39 AM

The Stage 1 Performance Tuner appears to be just what I am looking for. Going the $1000+ route for an OV Tune and the dealership shuffle I'd have to play is too much of a hurdle. How many of that initial 75 unit lot are left?
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Default 07-06-2017, 08:40 AM

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I guess the app wont work either and no bluetooth connection?
You can use the same app and bluetooth adapter, but Stage1 can only log boost pressure. No CANbus data, obviously.


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Default 07-06-2017, 11:09 AM

Hello Terry,

I sent Jon an email earlier in regards to this product. Look forward to hearing from you.

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Default 07-06-2017, 02:24 PM

Spent a few hours on the dyno today with a factory stock red sport and our silver sport development car. Good data to follow!


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First test car is a 2017 Red Sport running 91 octane fuel + a can of Lucas octane booster to simulate 93 octane. Weather was a factor today with dyno room temps around 100 degrees! Something to keep in mind when evaluating the results. Generally speaking the cooler the better.

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On pump gas the car made a best of ~374whp & ~397whp factory stock. Actually more than I expected from the platform, even a little stronger than the latest BMW 340i which is an impressive platform itself.

Using the BMS Stage1 to add 3psi to the factory curve (the default setting) resulted in ~395whp and ~429wtq. Decent gains. We also tested 4psi which jumped power up to ~405whp and ~454wtq.

What's become apparent with the Red Sport is the little turbos are simply not able to produce much more boost up top, but there is plenty of room down low to boost torque.

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After the pump gas testing we decided to add in a few gallons of E85 to evaluate the effect. Unfortunately by this point the car was also very well heat-soaked making the top end boost limitations even more apparent. Still, managed to crank it up to ~404whp and ~486whp. I'm confident on a cooler day power would be up north of 415whp.

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While we were at the dyno we also did some additional pump gas testing on our Silver Sport development car. The car is stock other than a prototype intake system, running the same ~93 octane fuel mix as the Red Sport.

We tested 3psi, 4psi, 5psi, and 6psi, with power incrementally climbing. I expect most Silver Sport on good 93 octane will be able to get away with the 6psi setting, while those on lower grade 91 octane fuel will probably want to stick with the 3psi default. Still, huge gains across the board, for a basically stock car with pump fuels.

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Default 07-06-2017, 03:38 PM

So the Q50 silver sport can push 6psi on just 93 pump gas??
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Default 07-06-2017, 03:50 PM

We've tested it... Whether it will work for everyone, remains to be seen. Try it out and report back.


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Default 07-06-2017, 04:25 PM

Terry I change the boost safety to 5 on map 3, i don't know if anything else if your suppose to change but most of the other numbers are 0's on everything else.. i don't know if I need to change anything else
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Default 07-06-2017, 05:10 PM

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Terry I change the boost safety to 5 on map 3, i don't know if anything else if your suppose to change but most of the other numbers are 0's on everything else.. i don't know if I need to change anything else
Just the boost. Everything else will show zero


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Default 07-06-2017, 05:14 PM

Oh ok thanks I got a little nervous... am I able to data log for this car?
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Default 07-06-2017, 05:21 PM

There is no logging offered on Stage1, other than boost pressure logging.


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Default 07-06-2017, 06:16 PM

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We've tested it... Whether it will work for everyone, remains to be seen. Try it out and report back.
Terry can you overlay the Redsport Q50 vs Regular Q50 dyno with the Jb1?
Essentially they become the same, right?


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Here you go! Not much difference really considering what you save. I didn't rev the red sport out as high most runs but you get the idea.
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Here you go! Not much difference really considering what you save. I didn't rev the red sport out as high most runs but you get the idea.
What are these results based on? Just 93 pump gas??
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What are these results based on? Just 93 pump gas??
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Are there any concerns for boost spikes? Ecutec has been working on getting those resolved and they have from what the tuner claims.
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Full tank of 91 octane + 1 can of Lucas octane booster from autozone to simulate 93 octane.


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Are there any concerns for boost spikes? Ecutec has been working on getting those resolved and they have from what the tuner claims.
Have not come across any issues in the logs we've gone so far. The Stage1 itself can log boost so if anyone comes across any odd spiking email a log over and we'll check it out.


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No DCI, Catback and *** in both Q50 right?

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No DCI, Catback and *** in both Q50 right?

I hope you can win some more on the high side with those mods!
There is no high side. The turbos are done. Read what Terry wrote "What's become apparent with the Red Sport is the little turbos are simply not able to produce much more boost up top".
And they're cast into the heads, so they aren't replaceable. Best hope is that somebody designs a GT-R head, manifold, and turbo retrofit.


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No DCI, Catback and *** in both Q50 right?

I hope you can win some more on the high side with those mods!
Both cars fully stock, except the Silver Sport, which has an intake prototype installed for this specific testing.

We did some overlays with EcuTek tuned Q50s at the dyno and found the Stage1 produces fairly similar results to flash tuned cars. Of course you have a lot more tuning flexibility with flash tuning but it was nice to see the simple Stage1 in the ballpark. And when comparing tuned full bolt on cars found those exhaust mods seem to add around 15-20hp at higher RPM.


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Mmm interesting Terry I wonder now if I could beat my cousin's 15' Benz C400 (AWD), I'll provide links to before the stage 1 and after for everyone to see


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Mmm interesting Terry I wonder now if I could beat my cousin's 15' Benz C400 (AWD), I'll provide links to before the stage 1 and after for everyone to see
We've yet to take ours to the track so I can't say what they run... At 400whp I'd expect mid 12s at least though. We'll VBOX it soon!


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