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Default RHD 6466 N54 - 09-30-2018, 01:04 AM

Hi All,

Finally finished my RHD 6466 single turbo n54



There really is not a lot of room in there!

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Walton Motorsport hot pipe kit w/ 50mm pro gate
6466 gen2
JB4
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Used Walton Motorsport hot pipe kit :

https://www.waltonmotorsport.com/pro...-kit-rhd-cars/

and some of my own 'fabrication'. It's a bodge but it works!

Teaser vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifxw3KxIFIo


O2 sensor issues meant I couldn't go WOT (now replaced and working great)

Will get a new video of it working when I can.

Unfortunately can't get the external wastegate plumbed back into the exhaust as it has to run out of the wheel-arch due to space constraints (RHD ). So it's really noisy.

Will add the dyno results when I get around to dynoing it!

I should write a list of gotchas really....

Ok:

- Steering column removal was a pain, I swore a lot and lost skin, then it came off. I removed mine at the top end nearest the bulk head. Reattaching the middle with the turbo kit installed would be a nightmare!

- Steering column refitment the airbag has to be removed to get the steering wheel off, to get to the adjustable bit inside the column to push the shafts together. Nightmare. If anyone else gets to this point, I dunno if i did it right (there's not much info on this!) but I got one person to mate the rack end to the steering wheel end, get the woodruff key bits lined up and tap both ends together until the recessed bolt hole bit is in the right place (look from the top - push the rubber out of the way)

- Plenty of bodging required, instead of running a water hose all the way to the other side to move hte resevoir, I T-d into the water hose on the passenger side of the engine bay (which is where this hose goes anyway). Seemed like a good idea to me, I know others route a hose back across the engine bay again. Mine hasn't overheated yet and I've been gradually doing longer and longer runs in it.

- ******** to standard exhaust I made my own pipe from mild steel I got off ebay (pic attached). I'm not proud of my welding.



I'll probably get someone to make me a proper one at some stage.

- O2 sensors - just buy the NTK ones before you start. One of my stock ones worked fine before, soon as I went ST it died. I got another one quite quick and fitted that while I wait for my NTKs, dunno how long it will last though.

- The walton kit required a bit of modding as it's designed for their turbos and not a 6466, so things weren't quite right, but near enough. Consider this though when choosing your turbo, if you aren't willing to bodge a little just use their turbo. One of the O2 sensor heatsinks had to be removed as it conflicted with the compressor outlet, not sure if they will have this fixed for future orders. Walton Motorsport are great though, they helped me all the way with any issues I had, if you're in the UK and thinking of going single turbo, highly recommend these guys!

Any questions feel free to PM me
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Default 09-30-2018, 01:10 AM

some more pics of the manifold
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Default 11-02-2018, 06:41 AM

anyone fancy having a look at my logs?

*edit* looks like datazap isn't allowed here (the original thread why not i can't seem to read!)

my trims max out on spool, but fuel pressure high and low *seem* ok?

so possibly thinking i need to modify fuel spool? i am running completely stock fuel system (and stock clutch!) at the moment, 20 psi on a 6466 and other than that it runs well.

does pull 3 degrees on ign1 so possibly needs more fuel there, ideas and thoughts (other than obviously upgrading the lpfp - on the to do list!)
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Default 11-02-2018, 08:15 AM

Looks okay to me from what I initially see in the logs. Enable 6 cylinder timing in the user adjustments tab. What is your fueling setup so far?
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got a new one:
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Default 11-02-2018, 11:52 AM

HPFP tanked in one of the gears. AFR has a slight difference between banks, not sure if manifold or O2 issue. Anyways, enable 6 cylinder timing so I can see how the rest of the cylinders are doing. You have quite a few timing drops, I would go to a lower map like 1 or 2 for now until you can get higher octane fuel in there.
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Default 11-02-2018, 05:54 PM

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44656

according to that post wouldn't you expect my default to run meth in map 3?

since i have 0 and 0 for those settings?

i presume meth at 50:50 would help with the fueling/timing issues?

edit - it's very possible i didn't enable the meth - should it work in map3? or should i do map 6/8 ?
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Default 11-02-2018, 08:51 PM

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https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44656

according to that post wouldn't you expect my default to run meth in map 3?

since i have 0 and 0 for those settings?

i presume meth at 50:50 would help with the fueling/timing issues?

edit - it's very possible i didn't enable the meth - should it work in map3? or should i do map 6/8 ?
Meth map is different for single turbo. You will need to change your meth trigger

Meth Trigger Mode All Versions


1 - Meth flows on all maps
2 - Meth flows on map 3 only
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Default 11-03-2018, 12:50 AM

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Meth map is different for single turbo. You will need to change your meth trigger

Meth Trigger Mode All Versions


1 - Meth flows on all maps
2 - Meth flows on map 3 only
3 - Meth is disabled on all maps

Ah! Ok that makes more sense. So i'll just turn the meth on for all maps then, 6 cyl timing and get some more logs @ 17 + 20psi.

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Default 11-03-2018, 07:09 AM

Sorry forgot to enable 6 cyl logging again... I realise this would make this much easier, but I forgot to enable it! will go out and log another one soon as I get the chance.

But this is with the meth at least, which appears to have solved the fueling issue, but it still dropped timing.... the first drop i'm pretty sure is due to wheelspin?

I think the traction light was still coming on during third as well, I know I ideally need to do a clean run in fourth, but that's not always immediately possible due to the private runway required can get busy. It is also right next to when I lifted off so is it possible that timing drop wasn't due to a knock event? Surely the WMI would be enough to stop knock at that boost? (again, your opinion is greatly appreciated here)

So yeah this is the best I have, will update with a better one when I can but I guess this is better than nothing! (I didn't realise it gets quite hard to get a good clean run when it's making this much power; wheelspin, traffic, and speed all make it a challenge)

If only there was an available dyno near me
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Default 11-03-2018, 07:15 AM

I think it still has the standard clutch in there as well!

No idea how much power it's making but it seems to be holding 20psi + meth?
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Default 11-08-2018, 10:49 PM

Hey Good to see someone else putting a single turbo on a RHD.

I've just tacked a 6266 setup and now ready to weld it all off. This includes the manifold (manifold was made just changed it to suit) dump pipe and wastegate plumbing back into exhaust.

I've just made my set up in a similar way.

I bought a manifold off someone and adjusted it to suit my car.

Making the dump pipe is a prick.

It took me 4 attempts and 15 odd hours doing pie cuts getting it to fit.
then I realised my wastegate pipe wasnt on the V-band properly and had to make another one.

I hope your enjoying it, It sounds pretty good!
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Default 11-09-2018, 10:37 AM

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Sorry forgot to enable 6 cyl logging again... I realise this would make this much easier, but I forgot to enable it! will go out and log another one soon as I get the chance.

But this is with the meth at least, which appears to have solved the fueling issue, but it still dropped timing.... the first drop i'm pretty sure is due to wheelspin?

I think the traction light was still coming on during third as well, I know I ideally need to do a clean run in fourth, but that's not always immediately possible due to the private runway required can get busy. It is also right next to when I lifted off so is it possible that timing drop wasn't due to a knock event? Surely the WMI would be enough to stop knock at that boost? (again, your opinion is greatly appreciated here)

So yeah this is the best I have, will update with a better one when I can but I guess this is better than nothing! (I didn't realise it gets quite hard to get a good clean run when it's making this much power; wheelspin, traffic, and speed all make it a challenge)

If only there was an available dyno near me

Sweet work.
Log is so short it's mildly pointless.
3rd gear, 2k to 7k RPM.
Traction Control fully disabled.




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Default 11-30-2018, 09:33 AM

finally had some good weather and a clear bit of road to do proper run.

first log is map 2:

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/attac...1&d=1543593013

this ran well. pulled good

second log was on map3:

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/attac...1&d=1543593013

this misfired up the top


my notes:

map2 -

ignition across all cylinders is good. only running 7.5 degrees with meth so wouldn't expect any knock here!

both fpl and fph look solid

problem: trims and trim2 are very different



map3 -

ign across all cylinders looks good, the misfire started at about 6100rpm

fph and fpl all were looking good, then it just started to miss, fault code was cyl6 misfire.

trims and trim2 very different again.


*** EDIT ****

Post trim discovery i jumped back in my car and went for another run! this time to test a theory i turned the meth off.

map2:

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/attac...1&d=1543595312

timing drops on a couple of cylinder but no trim variance!


map3:

https://www.n54tech.com/forums/attac...1&d=1543595312


fpl shows signs of struggling (standard fuel pump so i'm not surprised!)

few timing drops as well here so really need the meth for our crappy fuel here in the uk! but there is clearly a problem with 1 injector of meth!?
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Default 11-30-2018, 09:34 AM

so i guess the meth is not being distributed properly amongst all the cylinders! i'm running a VRSF charge pipe, and CM12 nozzle, is there a known problem with this setup? (i thought this meth business was all tried and tested)

just checked and the VRSF does come with 2 plates for 2 nozzles, i just only used 1!!!

i don't doubt there's a thread somewhere that says explicitly, make sure you use 2 nozzles at 180 degrees or it'll run bad haha.

i just didn't see it.

for everyone that reads this, make sure you run 2 nozzles lol

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Hey Good to see someone else putting a single turbo on a RHD.

I've just tacked a 6266 setup and now ready to weld it all off. This includes the manifold (manifold was made just changed it to suit) dump pipe and wastegate plumbing back into exhaust.

I've just made my set up in a similar way.

I bought a manifold off someone and adjusted it to suit my car.

Making the dump pipe is a prick.

It took me 4 attempts and 15 odd hours doing pie cuts getting it to fit.
then I realised my wastegate pipe wasnt on the V-band properly and had to make another one.

I hope your enjoying it, It sounds pretty good!
you plumbed yours back into the exhaust?!? i wish i could, mine is ridiculously loud. there's just no room so it vents out of the wheelarch haha. WOT with the window is tinnitus inducing stuff

and i am enjoying it a lot

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Default 12-03-2018, 11:55 AM

You will more than likely need a second nozzle from what it looks like. What size nozzle are you using and what fuel?


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You will more than likely need a second nozzle from what it looks like. What size nozzle are you using and what fuel?
Does a single nozzle work for anyone? Feel like this would happen on any single nozzle setup as I've not changed much apart from the single turbo!

BM12 and 99 RON pump.

Is dual BM12 too much ?
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Does a single nozzle work for anyone? Feel like this would happen on any single nozzle setup as I've not changed much apart from the single turbo!

BM12 and 99 RON pump.

Is dual BM12 too much ?
For the power you're pushing most definitely, we recommend 2 when going larger twins or single turbo. I recommend dual BM10.


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For the power you're pushing most definitely, we recommend 2 when going larger twins or single turbo. I recommend dual BM10.
your website only says this:

N54/N55 with larger hybrid turbo(s): Single BM12 or dual BM7

and that's all i got via email too, so i went with the single BM12 so I could add to it later if i had to, now i have a BM12 which is useless and have to change it !

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your website only says this:

N54/N55 with larger hybrid turbo(s): Single BM12 or dual BM7

and that's all i got via email too, so i went with the single BM12 so I could add to it later if i had to, now i have a BM12 which is useless and have to change it !

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You can split the difference and get a BM7 in addition to your BM12!

http://www.burgertuning.com/meth.html

Those are basic figures and can vary for each car and fuel setup.
I would also add a stage 2 LPFP system while you're there.

http://www.burgertuning.com/fuel_pump_upgrades_bmw.html


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Where's the steering linkage at on a RHD N54 car? I would think I could see it in one of the photos but I don't see it anywhere. Can't imagine how tight it must be with all of that packed down there
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You can split the difference and get a BM7 in addition to your BM12!

http://www.burgertuning.com/meth.html

Those are basic figures and can vary for each car and fuel setup.
I would also add a stage 2 LPFP system while you're there.

http://www.burgertuning.com/fuel_pump_upgrades_bmw.html

but then in theory some cylinders will be running different amounts of methanol to the other cylinders (not good as knock is an average across all cylinders, right?)

really i need to get 2 BM10's to try and get the distribution as even as possible.
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Default 12-06-2018, 09:13 AM

These are injecting into the Charge Pipe, no?
If so, you can mix sizes. Content should blend on way to intakes.
You can beat Port Injection, but if you don't require it, why bother.




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These are injecting into the Charge Pipe, no?
If so, you can mix sizes. Content should blend on way to intakes.
You can beat Port Injection, but if you don't require it, why bother.
yep, but i dont think it does distribute evenly otherwise the trims and trims2 would be identical (as they are with the meth turned off)
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