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Default 11-22-2018, 02:31 PM

Your trims are okay, if you were seriously short on fuel you'd see them stay at 50 all the time, like I do... Never managed to launch my PMI yet, though another test drive tonight, too many leaks caused by two left hands...

Not a professional advise, but I suggest you increase fuel bias to 60 across the range and see whether or not trims get closer to 25.

Also, look at your timing, it's really good, if you were short on fuel you'd see drops and stuff.

I don't see trims2 in your logs, I think it was introduced in later firmware of JB4, so you probably need to upgrade yours to latest version for best results.

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I got it to work and it even shows numbers in the Fuelen colum of the log
And the IAT drops at wot cause of the single 7cm nozzle
But trims are still high even at 20 psi

Why arent the injectors spraying

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgk6mslhf6...37_04.csv?dl=0

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What flash you running

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Default 11-23-2018, 04:35 AM

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Custom bef. Custom is the only way you are gonna reap all the benefits meth has to offer.
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Default 11-23-2018, 04:43 AM

My first log after everything worked
Fuelen column
Meth column
Work now

Trims dropping
And will continue to drop after few WOTs due to air in PI rail

Any one notice anything unordinary before i majorly crank up the boost?

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Default 11-23-2018, 12:58 PM

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My first log after everything worked
Fuelen column
Meth column
Work now

Trims dropping
And will continue to drop after few WOTs due to air in PI rail

Any one notice anything unordinary before i majorly crank up the boost?

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Log looks strong and healthy to me!
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Default 11-27-2018, 10:22 PM

Has anyone integrated an inline flow sensor or pressure sensor with their PI Meth setup? I have my fuel it PI Meth kit & JB4 controller all hooked up with -6AN lines, but I can’t seem to find any integrated solution for pressure or flow sensor for safety??
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Default 11-27-2018, 10:43 PM

Aquamist has or at least had a stand alone flow sensor that outputs a 0-5v signal the JB4 can read.


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Default 11-28-2018, 08:02 AM

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Aquamist has or at least had a stand alone flow sensor that outputs a 0-5v signal the JB4 can read.
Any instructions on how to hook it up? Plug the sensor into meth rail, where to connect the contacts? How would we be able to read values via JB4 and what is considered a normal PI rail operating pressure?
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Default 11-28-2018, 09:04 PM

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Aquamist has or at least had a stand alone flow sensor that outputs a 0-5v signal the JB4 can read.
Are you referring to this?

http://howertonengineering.com/produ...bine-assembly/

Says it requires this cable to work with the HFS controller?

http://www.aquamist-direct.com/806-5...-sensor-cable/

How would we set this up with the JB4?

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Default PMI worked fine - latest LOG - 12-04-2018, 12:12 AM

hi guys,

just to give good feedback for others to benefit

this is my latest log, after removed the 7cm nozzle and kept meth flowing only to the PI rail.. it turns out that since my injectors (1055) MMP kit.. couldn't keep up due to lack of meth flow/pressure.. i stopped using the nozzle and the PMI gained more volume and pressure especially at higher boost levels and worked great.. i used to get Fuelen. reach 100.. now it sits comfortably at 50~ around 25 - 26 psi

can anyone suggest what i should change in settings or anything else based on the log attached?

tuned by trebila

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BMS METH KIT IN CONJUNCTION WITH MMP PI WITH 1055CC INJECTORS, PURE M1 METH,TMAP 3.5,
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Default 12-04-2018, 12:05 PM

Looks very strong and healthy I must say. I wouldn't change a thing
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Default 12-04-2018, 09:29 PM

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Are you referring to this?

http://howertonengineering.com/produ...bine-assembly/

Says it requires this cable to work with the HFS controller?

http://www.aquamist-direct.com/806-5...-sensor-cable/

How would we set this up with the JB4?
Bumping my previous question about the aquamist sensor integration.
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Default 12-05-2018, 09:41 AM

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Bumping my previous question about the aquamist sensor integration.
You're trying to integrate a flow sensor into the JB4? Is that your question?


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You're trying to integrate a flow sensor into the JB4? Is that your question?
Yup that's correct, I want an in-line flow or pressure sensor to integrate with the JB4 for added safety.
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Yup that's correct, I want an in-line flow or pressure sensor to integrate with the JB4 for added safety.
Wire the sensor in to the rail and feed the 0-5v signal in to the JB4. And then log it so we can see what the signal looks like and work out the best JB4 settings for you.


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To me, PMI is just not worth it. If you have E85 run port injection. If not use chargepipe injection with a good CP like ours, dual nozzles 180 degrees apart. It's just a much easier way to do it IMHO.
Terry, I live in the Gulf and the best pump fuel we have is equivalent to maybe 92/93 in the US. I run 100% meth with two 14cm to do 19PSI (semi-clean log, additive set to 45) on my GCs! I can do 15PSI at the most with pump alone.

Would love to have meth port injection running in order to run more boost as we do not have E85 around here.

Can you suggest a meth flow meter for an NTP or 4AN?

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Terry, I live in the Gulf and the best pump fuel we have is equivalent to maybe 92/93 in the US. I run 100% meth with two 14cm to do 19PSI (semi-clean log, additive set to 45) on my GCs! I can do 15PSI at the most with pump alone.

Would love to have meth port injection running in order to run more boost as we do not have E85 around here.

Can you suggest a meth flow meter for an NTP or 4AN?

I'm ready to test it with you!
If you want E85 its available in most of the chemical suppliers they sell in drums but they can fill it for you in 20 L containers.

Not sure where you located but in UAE I'm getting the high grade math and E85 from dubichem fujairah and actually they deliver to my doorstep in dubai for additional 30 AED delivery.


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Terry, I live in the Gulf and the best pump fuel we have is equivalent to maybe 92/93 in the US. I run 100% meth with two 14cm to do 19PSI (semi-clean log, additive set to 45) on my GCs! I can do 15PSI at the most with pump alone.

Would love to have meth port injection running in order to run more boost as we do not have E85 around here.

Can you suggest a meth flow meter for an NTP or 4AN?

I'm ready to test it with you!
The turbine based sensors just don't work. Hit up Fuel-IT for a pressure sensor, the JB4 can read that and use it as a safety.


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Terry, I live in the Gulf and the best pump fuel we have is equivalent to maybe 92/93 in the US. I run 100% meth with two 14cm to do 19PSI (semi-clean log, additive set to 45) on my GCs! I can do 15PSI at the most with pump alone.

Would love to have meth port injection running in order to run more boost as we do not have E85 around here.

Can you suggest a meth flow meter for an NTP or 4AN?

I'm ready to test it with you!
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If you want E85 its available in most of the chemical suppliers they sell in drums but they can fill it for you in 20 L containers.

Not sure where you located but in UAE I'm getting the high grade math and E85 from dubichem fujairah and actually they deliver to my doorstep in dubai for additional 30 AED delivery.
I live in Bahrain and I do have access to 5 gal (20l) container for AED360 ($100) which I believe is too expensive. Suppliers also don't do fuel delivery at the moment.

In the US its available in a lot of gas stations and they deliver by a standard pump, much convenient and also cheaper which is why everyone is using E85.

I am leaning towards meth port injection which works out cheaper and provides sufficient octane levels distributed efficiently across all cylinders.


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Im i the only one who dont get any meth flow on map 3 and 5. Meth remain at 0 in logs.

Works good on map 1, 2, 7.

Any ways around it

also, 2step and and antilag are not working. anything to do with Meth PI. Could be because of the sub Zero weather in the land of the Snow-Mexicans ?

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The turbine based sensors just don't work.Hit up Fuel-IT for a pressure sensor, the JB4 can read that and use it as a safety.
Hi Terry,

I was searching on the fuelit website and have not seen any pressure sensor. Could you elaborate what type of sensor I need for jb4 to read meth pressure and apply the proper safety?
I think PI meth would be vastly improved if we retain both safeties at the same time: injector safety and meth (pump) pressure safety.
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