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Default 100% E85 on stock turbos? - 05-15-2018, 01:46 PM

This thought started in Chadillac's build thread, and I finally found time to post it here. I assume this has been discussed before, but not finding a clear concise answer.

Since Throttle body injection turned out to not work as well as hoped (based on not being sold any longer), does it ever make sense to run 100% E85 on stock turbos with PI to supplement the additional fuel needed when going over E50-60? If so, are there any major drawbacks. I see the benefits as, cooler cylinders, more power potential, cleaner intake manifold and easier fueling (no mixing), basically all the same as TBI...

My concern is that since the required fuel is so little over what the HPFP can support, the car would run rough or have trouble when the injectors fire and trims compensate. Would smaller injectors make sense?

Just posting to hear if anyone has attempted this? I plan to go single turbo at some point, so the PI would be required then... if I can run 100% with it on stocks, that would be a win win.
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Default 05-15-2018, 02:44 PM

Yes, you can run 100% ethanol as long as you have the fueling to support it.

Back in 2014 my HPFP and LPFP were very strong and I had no issues running full e85 on DI only on stock turbos.

To be honest, you wont gain much by anything after e60 IMHO. If you can do e60 on stock turbos without PI that would be the easiest. If you're already set on going further and know you'll need it just go PI then.

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Default 05-15-2018, 03:46 PM

Just released today:

http://burgertuning.com/N54_PORT_INJ..._MANIFOLD.html[/QUOTE]

are there plugs that come with the manifolds if not running injectors?You have picture from underneath side of manifold?

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Default 05-15-2018, 06:58 PM

hey Payam,
Will there be 6 (1/8') npt bungs for guys running methanol instead of e85?


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Default 05-15-2018, 09:03 PM

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This thought started in Chadillac's build thread, and I finally found time to post it here. I assume this has been discussed before, but not finding a clear concise answer.

Since Throttle body injection turned out to not work as well as hoped (based on not being sold any longer), does it ever make sense to run 100% E85 on stock turbos with PI to supplement the additional fuel needed when going over E50-60? If so, are there any major drawbacks. I see the benefits as, cooler cylinders, more power potential, cleaner intake manifold and easier fueling (no mixing), basically all the same as TBI...

My concern is that since the required fuel is so little over what the HPFP can support, the car would run rough or have trouble when the injectors fire and trims compensate. Would smaller injectors make sense?

Just posting to hear if anyone has attempted this? I plan to go single turbo at some point, so the PI would be required then... if I can run 100% with it on stocks, that would be a win win.
We discontinued TBI once we released our DIY port injection kit since it's a similar price point and full PWM control of the injectors is more desirable.

That said, we actually have another option soon to be released that is also PWM controlled. We're just waiting on a few remaining stock items to arrive and we'll do the full release.

These will be able to be run as a standalone or in addition to PI.
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Default 05-16-2018, 07:24 AM

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are there plugs that come with the manifolds if not running injectors?You have picture from underneath side of manifold?[/QUOTE]

This first batch does not, this was mainly to get out for people that needed a cheaper option in a quick manner. We will possibly have that option for the next batch.

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hey Payam,
Will there be 6 (1/8') npt bungs for guys running methanol instead of e85?
I believe for the next batch it will have that option for people who do not have access to e85.


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Default 05-16-2018, 07:50 AM

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We discontinued TBI once we released our DIY port injection kit since it's a similar price point and full PWM control of the injectors is more desirable.

That said, we actually have another option soon to be released that is also PWM controlled. We're just waiting on a few remaining stock items to arrive and we'll do the full release.

These will be able to be run as a standalone or in addition to PI.
Really looking forward to this. Does it have a new controller to work with the jb4? Any word on what amount of power this will support & estimated pricing? This is only for e85/gas and not methanol correct?


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Default 05-18-2018, 10:50 AM

Thanks all for the responses. I got busy and didn't get back to respond.
That new intake looks great! I might just go that way and start the single turbo plans.
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Default 05-19-2018, 01:07 AM

Im also considering running 100% E85 due to fuel prices and also the power advantage
I'm currently on stock turbos but will most likely go single turbo or upgraded twins during the winter.

Would i need to make any additional changes to the car except PI, lpfp upgrade and a controller för the PI?
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Default 05-20-2018, 05:11 PM

Can I use these new standalone injectors in addition to my tbi to help with distribution?
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Default 05-23-2018, 06:40 PM

I got tired of mixing e85/gas so went to straight e85 about September of last year . I'm running stock turbos with dual walbro 450 one is activated via Hobbs switch at 12psi stage 3 I think? and meth. I did notice that the car pulled harder so torque definitely went up. About two months ago I upgraded inlets to relocated ones and it's a whole nother animal. So I say yes to 💯 E85. I get about 250 miles out of the tank and $2.09 a gallon can't be beat.


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I got tired of mixing e85/gas so went to straight e85 about September of last year . I'm running stock turbos with dual walbro 450 one is activated via Hobbs switch at 12psi stage 3 I think? and meth. I did notice that the car pulled harder so torque definitely went up. About two months ago I upgraded inlets to relocated ones and it's a whole nother animal. So I say yes to 💯 E85. I get about 250 miles out of the tank and $2.09 a gallon can't be beat.
I assume you are running PI then?
What brand/which?
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Default 05-24-2018, 12:32 AM

No sir NO PI at this time. I'm the future yes but at the time being just running 💯 E85 through injectors and two DO5 nozzles for the meth


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Default 05-24-2018, 09:52 AM

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I assume you are running PI then?
What brand/which?
He is getting fuel aid from the methanol he is spraying as well. Would be interesting to see his logs with and without meth!


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Default 05-24-2018, 10:14 AM

I see about getting some logs for you guys highway patrol been active past few, but I will try to sneak some in over the causeway in the morning


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Default 05-25-2018, 09:29 AM

Got a slight delay on logs. Got out of work and car had no power like battery was dead. Found online the B+ recall so I jiggled fuse box wires and got power restored. Went to stealership about the recall and my fuse box and cable are fried so it's all getting replaced under the recall , plus two additional recalls. won't have it back till wenday at the earliest.


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Got a slight delay on logs. Got out of work and car had no power like battery was dead. Found online the B+ recall so I jiggled fuse box wires and got power restored. Went to stealership about the recall and my fuse box and cable are fried so it's all getting replaced under the recall , plus two additional recalls. won't have it back till wenday at the earliest.
Woah, never heard of these recalls.


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Default 05-25-2018, 11:05 AM

Neither have I, but my clock in car kept being rest to 00:00 every other day and I was trying to figure out why , so if u clock is resetting it self u know u have a B+ problem.
I was at work and luckly had tools but nopower what so ever couldn't open doors, rool down windows nothing worked but I had a good battery and batt voltage under the hood at B+ post.
Moving wiring for fuse box got me up and running so I didn't have to get towed but the back of the fuse box was melted so they will replace the fuse box and complete B+ cable.
If u get it done before damage like mine the only replace a 3ft section of B+ to fuse box.


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Default 05-25-2018, 11:11 AM

Hope this helps someone out here because if u don't have a torx in ur car to remove panel under glove box and move he wires around , you will be calling a tow truck


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Thank you for that bulletin and the informative post!


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Default 05-25-2018, 11:20 AM

We are here to help each other out after all. First sign of trouble for me was the clock resetting so look out for that and u know to get it fixed soon . It's free after all!!!! And u get a Charger courtesy car ��


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Default 05-25-2018, 11:20 AM

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Woah, never heard of these recalls.

Me either, Maybe voltage is causing my misfire?


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Default 05-25-2018, 11:23 AM

Possible I would get a random misfire just cruising on the highway went, considering I got brand new coils and plugs replaced every 20k


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log as requested. 100% E85 dual walboro 450 and meth
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