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Default 05-25-2020, 04:44 PM

Sounds like Limp Mode - any CEL / Codes? Typically turning off / on the car will clear the Lilp Mode.


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Default 05-25-2020, 04:55 PM

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Screenshot your settings, sounds like you forgot to change/enable something. My car did that when I test drove it before properly changing the settings
WG duty cycles are at the top of the log. FF set to 60, tried everything from 40-65. PID gain 20, Auto shift boost red. 60. Option RS on, Fuel wires on.
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Default 05-25-2020, 05:05 PM

No CEL and when I finally got home and hooked up the data cable to my laptop there were no codes. Did a long log after getting home and hooking up to my laptop. The issue didn't some up. See anything?
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Default Just Installed EWG Wires on my RS AWD - 05-25-2020, 05:23 PM

Just installed the EWG wires on my Q60 RS AWD. Would appreciate any input on these logs:

I have settings set to defaults suggested on 1st page, Fuel Wires enabled, and Bit 6 turned on (RS)

Running 91 octane, 88 F today, 4,500 ft elevation

Run 1: Map 0
Run 2: Map 1

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Default 05-25-2020, 06:05 PM

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That I don't know but you could do a trial run to see if you can each/unplug the factory EWG connectors.
Just an FYI, I probably could have gotten to the driver side without removing the BOV, but definitely not the passenger side. I ended up removing both sides and it was not too much hassle.


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Default Ewg first log - 05-25-2020, 07:57 PM

Hello all,
Installed my EWG wires this week and would like some feedback on how my car is running. Thank you in advance!

settings:
duty bias all 50
pid 20
auto shift 60
ff 50

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Default 05-25-2020, 08:42 PM

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WG duty cycles are at the top of the log. FF set to 60, tried everything from 40-65. PID gain 20, Auto shift boost red. 60. Option RS on, Fuel wires on.
Start from square one and eliminate the variables.

Disable the EWG (Bit5) and see if the surging is still there (then that might mean a connector or bad pin?). IF it runs smooth, then go back and reset all your numbers. I looked at the .csv and your Duty cycles are custom set, from 55 down to 50 then upto 55 then 60 and back to 55... Why? What runs did you make with them at the baseline that you then could figure out what to change on them to adjust them? (post those logs if you have them). I would say put them all back to 50, and then put the FF at 50, and if the other settings are the same (20 and 60 for the PI and shift gain), then make some runs, post those logs, and see what you get.
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Default 05-25-2020, 08:51 PM

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Hello all,
Installed my EWG wires this week and would like some feedback on how my car is running. Thank you in advance!

settings:
duty bias all 50
pid 20
auto shift 60
ff 50

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muffler delete
Looks fine to me, next up try FF = 60.
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Default 05-25-2020, 08:52 PM

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Messed around all day with settings and can't stop this surging. You can see it as the car comes into boost. The car is like an on off switch no boost then all the boost and it seems to have a hard time stabilizing. Raising duty cycle before 3k helped a bit. Any ideas?
Try working the other way then. Set duty bias to 40 across the board, FF = 50, and log that.


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Default 05-26-2020, 01:15 PM

For clarification in reading please... does the Auto Shift Redux option help resolve compressor surge (sort of like the Ecutek wastegate offset) function to somewhat eliminate the need of BOVs?


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Default 05-26-2020, 01:31 PM

The shift reduction is used to lower WGDC proactively during shifts, useful for a variety of reasons, like dialing back post shift boost spikes.


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Default 05-26-2020, 02:21 PM

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Well I went out and did some 3rd gear pulls and some pulls from a dig. Running map 4 with 92 octane. Have some logs before EWG and after. Running with duty bias 50 across the board. FF 60, Auto shift boost reduction 60, and PID gain 20. Looking to get a second set of eyes on these. Thanks!
Hey Terry. Would you mind checking out the logs in my original post? Want to make sure everything is working right. Thanks!
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Default 05-26-2020, 05:53 PM

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Hey Terry. Would you mind checking out the logs in my original post? Want to make sure everything is working right. Thanks!
Little over rev or DSC in 1st but log itself looks fine to me!
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Default 05-26-2020, 06:02 PM

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The shift reduction is used to lower WGDC proactively during shifts, useful for a variety of reasons, like dialing back post shift boost spikes.
I just played with this and it completely eliminated my boost spike after a 2/3/4 gear pull.


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Default 05-26-2020, 06:09 PM

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Little over rev or DSC in 1st but log itself looks fine to me!
Thanks Terry! In your opinion does it look like the EWG is doing what it's supposed to be doing? Anything I should change?
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Yes looks fine to me from what I can see!


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Yes looks fine to me from what I can see!
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Default ewg 2nd log - 05-26-2020, 10:12 PM

Hello all,
Thank you for the feedback on my first log, made another run with FF set to 60 this time. Could you please give me some feedback? Thanks in advance

settings:
duty bias all 50
pid 20
auto shift 60
ff 60

mods:
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Default 05-27-2020, 06:15 AM

So, in general, should your duty bias value match your FF value? Right now I have 50 in my FF but a mixture of 50 and 55 in my duty bias based on the RPM.


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I just played with this and it completely eliminated my boost spike after a 2/3/4 gear pull.
Did you go up or down to eliminate the spikes?
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Default 05-27-2020, 07:33 AM

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Start from square one and eliminate the variables.

Disable the EWG (Bit5) and see if the surging is still there (then that might mean a connector or bad pin?). IF it runs smooth, then go back and reset all your numbers. I looked at the .csv and your Duty cycles are custom set, from 55 down to 50 then upto 55 then 60 and back to 55... Why? What runs did you make with them at the baseline that you then could figure out what to change on them to adjust them? (post those logs if you have them). I would say put them all back to 50, and then put the FF at 50, and if the other settings are the same (20 and 60 for the PI and shift gain), then make some runs, post those logs, and see what you get.
Surging has been an issue since the exhaust was opened up. That was the main reason I wanted to give these a go. Slow rolls are no issue, fast transitions cause boost spikes and what we call burst knock on other platforms. Adjusting duty cycle down causes under boosting when rolling on the throttle but helps the tip in WOT issue and vice versa. I have to sacrifice responsiveness to keep the initial boost spike down. Add in Standard vs Sport + throttle mapping and it becomes a PIA to find something that works in both situations. Still messing around. Currently at 35 up to 4500 and 55 after that with a FF of 45 and PID at 15. Fixed the boost spiking but the response is lacking. Just a matter of finding the right combo. I figured more people were running modified exhausts and already paved this road lol.
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Default 05-27-2020, 08:00 AM

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So, in general, should your duty bias value match your FF value? Right now I have 50 in my FF but a mixture of 50 and 55 in my duty bias based on the RPM.
No, generally speaking duty bias allows adjustment by RPM and FF allows adjustment across the board.


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Hello all,
Thank you for the feedback on my first log, made another run with FF set to 60 this time. Could you please give me some feedback? Thanks in advance

settings:
duty bias all 50
pid 20
auto shift 60
ff 60

mods:
jb4
map1
91oct
lip
muffler delete
Looks great to me. Try map2 next for kicks!
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Default 05-27-2020, 08:01 AM

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Surging has been an issue since the exhaust was opened up. That was the main reason I wanted to give these a go. Slow rolls are no issue, fast transitions cause boost spikes and what we call burst knock on other platforms. Adjusting duty cycle down causes under boosting when rolling on the throttle but helps the tip in WOT issue and vice versa. I have to sacrifice responsiveness to keep the initial boost spike down. Add in Standard vs Sport + throttle mapping and it becomes a PIA to find something that works in both situations. Still messing around. Currently at 35 up to 4500 and 55 after that with a FF of 45 and PID at 15. Fixed the boost spiking but the response is lacking. Just a matter of finding the right combo. I figured more people were running modified exhausts and already paved this road lol.
Keep the logs rolling, we may need to make some logical changes if you can't find the right combination for you.


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Did you go up or down to eliminate the spikes?
I bumped it up to 70.


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