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Do you have a break down of what each kit is designed for? So some details to why you would buy the TBI or why you would buy the Port version. I'm wondering if there is any reason for a FBO to pick one or the other up. Of course the function of the fuel going over the valves would almost be reason enough to buy one of the options.
I believe it's as simple as this........Right now TBI gets the job done but if you're preparing in anticipation for future advancements beyond where the platform is, then buy a PI Kit, or buy a TBI kit now and a PI Kit later if needed simple. FuelIt creates options for every need and desire. I personally have big plans for my car and believe we are getting significant advancements in a couple months tuning wise so I don't want to worry about fueling again. Even if there aren't advancements I plan on doing a built motor, Standalone Ecu, and Custom Fab Top mount. See so it all depends on current need and your outlook.


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Default 01-20-2016, 09:21 AM

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I can add that if you are not running enough power or a low power map with TBI active the car will run rich and misfire. Just up the boost or e mix and its all good.

I made a switch under steering rack to turn the TBI system on and off.


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are you going to make one for us s55m3 m4 guys
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PWM control how?
TBI or PI?

With TBI we're working on it.

PI, that is how the system works with the Split Second controller and we're also working on JB4 integration for the N55.



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Default 01-20-2016, 10:02 AM

Ahh ok, off the tach signal and boost?


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Default 01-20-2016, 11:26 AM

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I can add that if you are not running enough power or a low power map with TBI active the car will run rich and misfire. Just up the boost or e mix and its all good.

I made a switch under steering rack to turn the TBI system on and off.
What I don't understand is that there is an e85 sensor and an analyzer to be connected to Cobb and / or JB4, along with the Hobb switch. With this information available, why have to turn off and on the TBI? Shouldn't the Cobb or JB4 alter the tune on Map 5(?) according to the e85 content, and turn the TBI on when you hit higher boosts as set by the Hobb switch setting? While I am new to this, I am sure I am not the only one that needs to know, so I don't end up getting what I won't use or need.
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Default 01-20-2016, 03:54 PM

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What I don't understand is that there is an e85 sensor and an analyzer to be connected to Cobb and / or JB4, along with the Hobb switch. With this information available, why have to turn off and on the TBI? Shouldn't the Cobb or JB4 alter the tune on Map 5(?) according to the e85 content, and turn the TBI on when you hit higher boosts as set by the Hobb switch setting? While I am new to this, I am sure I am not the only one that needs to know, so I don't end up getting what I won't use or need.
Ozzie335i, You can only read the input from the ethanol sensor via JB4 integration or Bluetooth (I'm not sure if the last one is already released). And nothing else.

So far, there is no autotune on the JB4 based on ethanol content yet. Terry might have the autotune on ethanol content in his plans but its not in his high priority.

The TBI is not been controlled or activated by the JB4. So, that's why you need the Hobb switch to activate the TBI under boost.

Cobb is just a tool to flash your car's DME. So,even if you flash your car's DME is still for a particular type of gas (91, 93, E85 content).

Hopefully, this answer your concern.


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Default 01-20-2016, 10:45 PM

I may want to add that on my F series car with pure stage2 i am fuel volume limited on 93 for +- 17 psi from 5 to 7k rpm. If I start adding E in the fuel this becomes even less. In summer months (70-80f) i can do 15 psi on pure stage2 and E30/93 mix on the stock fuel system.

Now during winter with outdoor temps of 30f I can only do 15-16 psi on 93 and 13 psi top end on E30/93 mix. Having cold / wet roads i dont want the extra fuel volume on a daily basis as the car will spin at 15 psi let alone 20 psi. Hence i made this tbi switch. I can change maps on jb4 mobile depending on weather / road conditions and ethanol mix in the tank. This way I can just enable/disable TBI and use the extra volume when I need it.

I read Steve is looking into adding PWM control to TBI. That would ofcourse help and allow to flow anything between 0-100% while now its 0 OR 100%.

That having said the TBI is very easy and effective to use. Combine with an on/off switch and its very flexible as well for people like me with crap stock hpfp

Tnx Steve for bringing these great products to the market!


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Port injection Kits will it work on my m4
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Default 01-21-2016, 03:48 AM

Will have some numbers for you guys next week. I've been doing some research and it seems a few N55's overseas running PI have overcome the misfiring issues. Looking forward to reporting solid results.

As far as the PI Kit is concerned it's pure quality as you'd expect from FuelIt!!!
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Default 01-21-2016, 04:22 AM

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Will have some numbers for you guys next week. I've been doing some research and it seems a few N55's overseas running PI have overcome the misfiring issues. Looking forward to reporting solid results.

As far as the PI Kit is concerned it's pure quality as you'd expect from FuelIt!!!
Looking forward to your results!


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Looking forward too !!!


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Default 01-21-2016, 08:34 AM

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I may want to add that on my F series car with pure stage2 i am fuel volume limited on 93 for +- 17 psi from 5 to 7k rpm. If I start adding E in the fuel this becomes even less. In summer months (70-80f) i can do 15 psi on pure stage2 and E30/93 mix on the stock fuel system.

Now during winter with outdoor temps of 30f I can only do 15-16 psi on 93 and 13 psi top end on E30/93 mix. Having cold / wet roads i dont want the extra fuel volume on a daily basis as the car will spin at 15 psi let alone 20 psi. Hence i made this tbi switch. I can change maps on jb4 mobile depending on weather / road conditions and ethanol mix in the tank. This way I can just enable/disable TBI and use the extra volume when I need it.

I read Steve is looking into adding PWM control to TBI. That would ofcourse help and allow to flow anything between 0-100% while now its 0 OR 100%.

That having said the TBI is very easy and effective to use. Combine with an on/off switch and its very flexible as well for people like me with crap stock hpfp

Tnx Steve for bringing these great products to the market!
No problem...thank you!

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Port injection Kits will it work on my m4
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Will have some numbers for you guys next week. I've been doing some research and it seems a few N55's overseas running PI have overcome the misfiring issues. Looking forward to reporting solid results.

As far as the PI Kit is concerned it's pure quality as you'd expect from FuelIt!!!
Thanks...looking forward to your results.



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Default 01-26-2016, 01:55 PM

Heading to dyno tomorrow night to get some baseline runs done.


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Heading to dyno tomorrow night to get some baseline runs done.


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Default 01-26-2016, 06:25 PM

Mine is getting dyno tuned next Thursday! ���� may the best car get the highest hp/tq!


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Mine is getting dyno tuned next Thursday! ���� may the best car get the highest hp/tq!
We all love more numbers


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get a run on strictly pump gas please !
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Default 01-27-2016, 06:16 AM

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get a run on strictly pump gas please !
Why would you need a dyno with PI on pump only?


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get a run on strictly pump gas please !
You don't run TBI or PI to run pump gas. They are for running ethanol at least as far as our bmw's go. If you're planning on running pump gas to make power then a meth kit would be for you. Can you run pump gas when you have these systems installed? Yes but you'd deactivate them with a switch like darkie did or switch to map with low boost so the systems don't kick on. As far as TBI that'll only work if you have a 15psi Hobbs switch. PI works of tach and boost reference which you can program.

so no pump gas runs sir


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What time are you going to be there!!!!

Go right now I want to see number now


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Default 01-27-2016, 09:19 AM

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You don't run TBI or PI to run pump gas. They are for running ethanol at least as far as our bmw's go. If you're planning on running pump gas to make power then a meth kit would be for you. Can you run pump gas when you have these systems installed? Yes but you'd deactivate them with a switch like darkie did or switch to map with low boost so the systems don't kick on. As far as TBI that'll only work if you have a 15psi Hobbs switch. PI works of tach and boost reference which you can program.

so no pump gas runs sir
Anytime, why not? I think what Bours was asking is can it be done. Can it? While we are aware that PI has some huge capabilities, some may want to install it, and grow power around, and with it. Think outside of the box here. As the fuel pumps have been considered limiting, with the fuel it rev 2, along with Pure 2 and FI, why can't someone run 93, jack up the boost to 17 or 18 psi, and perhaps see 450 at the wheels? Then add e85 as time and less risk is available. I for one see meth as a bandaide, and that it's time has passed with these new options. If someone has the means to get something, don't talk them out of it if there is a cheaper option available. One of the vendors said I'd be better off looking into PI vs TBI even though I don't want to go with higher power than TBI's capability. His point was safety, and I appreciated the input. Not getting your face here Anytime, just kčeping discussion going on options.
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Default 01-27-2016, 10:29 AM

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Anytime, why not? I think what Bours was asking is can it be done. Can it? While we are aware that PI has some huge capabilities, some may want to install it, and grow power around, and with it. Think outside of the box here. As the fuel pumps have been considered limiting, with the fuel it rev 2, along with Pure 2 and FI, why can't someone run 93, jack up the boost to 17 or 18 psi, and perhaps see 450 at the wheels? Then add e85 as time and less risk is available. I for one see meth as a bandaide, and that it's time has passed with these new options. If someone has the means to get something, don't talk them out of it if there is a cheaper option available. One of the vendors said I'd be better off looking into PI vs TBI even though I don't want to go with higher power than TBI's capability. His point was safety, and I appreciated the input. Not getting your face here Anytime, just kčeping discussion going on options.
Although it has been covered already, the reason you dont run just pump gas is you will get misfires. Unleaded only will have way too much volume and cause a rich condition which will make the car misfire. Ethanol does not have the same volume as unleaded, you will require more ethanol per air to achieve a leaner AFR, which these cars love. If you just start dumping fuel in the cylinder, you will misfire. Thats why there is no point in running TBI or PI with just pump. Yes, more fuel will potentially provide you with a safety net, but as it is right now, I dont think there is a way to effectively limit how much fuel the PI and TBI are spraying. People will say PI is safer than TBI because it evenly distributes fuel to each cylinder, and that is correct. The TBI does a very good job at distributing the fuel though.

Meth is a band-aid, but not for the tuning, its a band-aid for the HPFP, some cars pumps are worse than others. You may or may not need meth if you just want to boost to 15-17 PSI. If you have a healthy HPFP, then you can probably get away with just an upgraded LPFP from fuel-it. BUT, if you have a crappy HPFP, then you will need both meth and an upgraded LPFP.
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Default 01-27-2016, 10:32 AM

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Anytime, why not? I think what Bours was asking is can it be done. Can it? While we are aware that PI has some huge capabilities, some may want to install it, and grow power around, and with it. Think outside of the box here. As the fuel pumps have been considered limiting, with the fuel it rev 2, along with Pure 2 and FI, why can't someone run 93, jack up the boost to 17 or 18 psi, and perhaps see 450 at the wheels? Then add e85 as time and less risk is available. I for one see meth as a bandaide, and that it's time has passed with these new options. If someone has the means to get something, don't talk them out of it if there is a cheaper option available. One of the vendors said I'd be better off looking into PI vs TBI even though I don't want to go with higher power than TBI's capability. His point was safety, and I appreciated the input. Not getting your face here Anytime, just kčeping discussion going on options.
On just 93 my stock fuel system could handle 450 whp at 17 psi boost. Then i needed both fuel volume and octane. You really dont need pi or tbi when running just pump on stage2 turbos.


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Default 01-27-2016, 01:47 PM

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On just 93 my stock fuel system could handle 450 whp at 17 psi boost. Then i needed both fuel volume and octane. You really dont need pi or tbi when running just pump on stage2 turbos.

Agreed, PI provides zero benefit on pump 93. My car for example pulled 560whp on 93 and meth with a jb4/flash stack, but my car is just one of those rare ones that can handle more power etc. PI is for running e85. You're only other option is go to a bigger single turbo.


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Anytime, why not? I think what Bours was asking is can it be done. Can it? While we are aware that PI has some huge capabilities, some may want to install it, and grow power around, and with it. Think outside of the box here. As the fuel pumps have been considered limiting, with the fuel it rev 2, along with Pure 2 and FI, why can't someone run 93, jack up the boost to 17 or 18 psi, and perhaps see 450 at the wheels? Then add e85 as time and less risk is available. I for one see meth as a bandaide, and that it's time has passed with these new options. If someone has the means to get something, don't talk them out of it if there is a cheaper option available. One of the vendors said I'd be better off looking into PI vs TBI even though I don't want to go with higher power than TBI's capability. His point was safety, and I appreciated the input. Not getting your face here Anytime, just kčeping discussion going on options.
that exactly what i meant ! thank you for your help and sorry for the misundetstood. now i get thats my best option is 93 pump + meth i guess
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Default 01-27-2016, 03:26 PM

For a N55 Pure Turbo Stage 2 running 100% ethanol, will the stage 2 LPFP be sufficient or will I need to upgrade to the stage 3 for port injection?
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