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Late to this party....
Some of you may know me as I've been around on other forums, but new to this one.

I have;
-PURE TURBO (stage 2) installed
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-RK intakes installed
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Truck feels stronger, but I feel like there should be even more power, given the massive successes with Stage 2 Pure Turbos on other platforms. Unfortunately, there is NO AWD DYNO AVAILABLE to me at this point, so I have no idea where I'm at (still looking)... I do have 3 slips from a test & tune day at the local drag strip with *** and Tune only (This was BEFORE the stage 3 Pure Turbo and RK intake install)

Active has since done some minor tweaking to their/my tune files based on data logging (3 back to back pulls on the street through the end of third gear). The adjustments helped, but the end result wasn't anything dramatic like some of the responses in this thread that have suggested "stacking" the JB4 on a base tune.

...So I ordered a JB4 through a buddy's shop several months ago and (twice) they have received different modules, neither of which will fit my truck's connectors... THEN, I find out that the JB4 for our trucks (e70 X5M) has been DISCONTINUED altogether and is no longer supported!?!

WHAT AM I TO DO NOW!?!

Regarding those intake *****. I think they are to small. They must be at least 3" in dia. I know 3" don't fit but they looks really great!

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Default 08-09-2017, 12:47 PM

So this party's over for anyone that isn't in already?

Disappointing. If it was such a support nightmare I guess I understand, but why is the S63 such a problem for tuning compared to the other platforms?
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So this party's over for anyone that isn't in already?

Disappointing. If it was such a support nightmare I guess I understand, but why is the S63 such a problem for tuning compared to the other platforms?
You can always buy the hardware and DIY it... But the platform isn't necessarily any more work than other platforms. There are just not enough cars out there to justify ongoing development and support. People who have been buying the product have required a lot more support than expected and we don't want to offer a $2000 tuning system or charge people $50 per support email. So dropping official support made the most sense for us.


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Default 08-15-2017, 09:35 PM

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So this party's over for anyone that isn't in already?

Disappointing. If it was such a support nightmare I guess I understand, but why is the S63 such a problem for tuning compared to the other platforms?
Myself and a handful of others are still running ours, so for what it's worth, we can still help. After that it's posting logs in hopes that others will have enough knowledge to help.


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Myself and a handful of others are still running ours, so for what it's worth, we can still help. After that it's posting logs in hopes that others will have enough knowledge to help.
Still tempting then! I'm still running an old pinout version JB4 on my N54, so I'm not intimidated by the prospect, just glad to know the option is still available!
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Default 08-16-2017, 02:30 AM

Does anyone know if JB4 drives the injectors to or only the boost control? If I have understand it right it don't do that.

I have find out that our X5/6M Stock boost is ~16PSI and~18PSI on competition package. Not 10 Psi.
Its show "wrong" numbers because the boost signal is manipulated. I have wonder this a lot in few weeks time but finally I know it.
My ESS II flash boost is 21-22 Psi but its not as strong as JB4 Map3. with E30 fuel.

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Default 08-16-2017, 07:19 PM

That's something I'm guessing only Terry can answer. FOL adjusts fuel pressure, I'm guessing duty bias can adjust fuel injectors.

Our boost on a stock tune is maxed to 17.4psi, that doesn't mean it'll always hit number...elevation, air temps, etc come into play and then the ECU commands a certain PSI to hit the targets. Our S63 didn't come with a competition package like the S63TU engines.

Even after my third tune revision, I'm still noticeably faster running stacked on map 1 or 6. I didn't have much luck running an E30 mix but I've considered trying again since it's been about 30 warmer than when I last tried.


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Default 08-17-2017, 12:45 AM

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That's something I'm guessing only Terry can answer. FOL adjusts fuel pressure, I'm guessing duty bias can adjust fuel injectors.

Our boost on a stock tune is maxed to 17.4psi, that doesn't mean it'll always hit number...elevation, air temps, etc come into play and then the ECU commands a certain PSI to hit the targets. Our S63 didn't come with a competition package like the S63TU engines.

Even after my third tune revision, I'm still noticeably faster running stacked on map 1 or 6. I didn't have much luck running an E30 mix but I've considered trying again since it's been about 30 warmer than when I last tried.
Yes maybe its so with thew fuel.

Here in Europe we have this option. Competition package. My X6M has been purchased here with this option. Speed limiter has been raised to around 170 mph( 270 km/h. Normaly 155 mph / 250 km/h.
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Default 08-17-2017, 12:52 PM

That's cool, I didn't know that.


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Default 08-17-2017, 02:01 PM

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That's cool, I didn't know that.
James.
Test E30 fuel with Map 6.

Im gone dynoed my car next week with Map 3 E30 fuel or with Map 6. E30
I have change new coils yesterday. Same coils the new X5/6M and S55 use. Delphi GN10571-12B1.

I hope I have time to log the Map 3 as soon as possible and if it don't hit 19 psi I'm gone change to Map 6. Exactly same way you explain at the N63 thread.
Yes my engine type settings is E series N54 so nice to know I can change it to F series so I can made my own map 6 and save it.

I hope Paul can coming in too. Paul have use Meth kit at his X5M. He have many ideas to.

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I hope Paul can coming in too. Paul have use Meth kit at his X5M. He have many ideas to.
Hey guys, Paul/PJC checking in 👋🏽
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Hey guys, Paul/PJC checking in ����
Welcome on board

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Default 08-17-2017, 02:20 PM

Not sure if Terry would recommend this... The strongest map in my e70 x5m was map8. This was with *** lees ***, intake, 93 oct and meth injection, and ***base flash tune(I'm probably forgetting something). I would ask Terry, if he'd recommend it, based on your setup. I have tried all the maps, however, haven't had anything to do a solid performance test with. Other than on a G-Tech timer. Which said I did a 0-60 in 4 flat on 22" wheels. At the track, I'm at 12.4 - 12.5 1/4, which seems slow. However, I had plug/coil issues with the high boost. All that has been resolved with high performance NGK plugs(not oem) and upgraded coils(Dephini).

What are you guys running for tires? On 20s and 22s? Considering running 20s, but worried about traction. Thoughts?

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Not sure if Terry would recommend this... The strongest map in my e70 x5m was map8. This was with *** lees ***, intake, 93 oct and meth injection, and ***base flash tune(I'm probably forgetting something). I would ask Terry, if he'd recommend it, based on your setup. I have tried all the maps, however, haven't had anything to do a solid performance test with. Other than on a G-Tech timer. Which said I did a 0-60 in 4 flat on 22" wheels. At the track, I'm at 12.4 - 12.5 1/4, which seems slow. However, I had plug/coil issues with the high boost. All that has been resolved with high performance NGK plugs(not oem) and upgraded coils(Dephini).

What are you guys running for tires? On 20s and 22s? Considering running 20s, but worried about traction. Thoughts?
I have Hamann 22" wheels. 295/30*22" at the front and 335/25*22" at the rear.
- Front wheel weight incl the tire 71,6 lbs
- Rear wheel weight incl the tire 75,40 lbs

My best 1/4 mile is with ESS stage II tune. 12,08 / 116 mph. Pump gas. ESS told me yesterday the boost at the flash is around 20-21 psi.
My best (with launch control) 0-62,5 is 3,9 sek with Map 3 and with E30 fuel. (62,5 mph is 100 km/h here in Europe) so 0-60mph must be at least 3,8 sek. maybe 3,7 sek. Im gone test it. I use Race Logic.

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Default 08-17-2017, 04:14 PM

While this can maybe be answerable by anyone, hopefully Terry will chime in.

I was curious about swapping from a 13627585492 2bar sensor to a 13627843531 3.5bar sensor, which will in turn mean I need to buy two of the $32 BMS adapters as well. The 3.5bar sensor happens to be used on the F85 X5M as well, fun little fact. Nevertheless the reason I ask is because I've run map 6 on two different occasions where I try to go over 21psi and I'll get a P12A9 overboost CEL that won't clear and will finally reset after a few days. I wanted to see if they're a drop-in type item or if they'd actually require a different flash.


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Default 08-18-2017, 08:56 AM

James.

I now what AFR is but what is TRIM?
Has it something to do with fuel pressure sensor?
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Default 08-18-2017, 10:06 AM

As I understand it, trims are like injector duty cycle. If they're spraying at 90% efficiency, that's maxed. Increasing the FOL bumps up the fuel pressure at the pump so the injectors aren't maxing out instead.


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As I understand it, trims are like injector duty cycle. If they're spraying at 90% efficiency, that's maxed. Increasing the FOL bumps up the fuel pressure at the pump so the injectors aren't maxing out instead.
Okay thank.
But I don't think the injectors is maxed out at 19 Psi. I think the boost is in reality much higher than it show. If it so then I can think the injectors is maxed out.
I'm gone measure it with a mechanical meter how much boost there is for real in the manifold.
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You going pre or post intercoolers?


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You going pre or post intercoolers?
I have OEM Post coolers at my car.

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You can always buy the hardware and DIY it... But the platform isn't necessarily any more work than other platforms. There are just not enough cars out there to justify ongoing development and support. People who have been buying the product have required a lot more support than expected and we don't want to offer a $2000 tuning system or charge people $50 per support email. So dropping official support made the most sense for us.
So Terry do not answer questions via e-mail about DIY way of E70 JB4 version. Some one knows how does it work?
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Right not via email, this thread only for all S63 information.

It's an N63 TypeA hardware. And N63 BCM. You also need 2 posi-taps and won't use OBDII cable.


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Default 08-23-2017, 03:32 AM

Now at Friday 25.8.2017 Im gone dynoed my car with JB4 and MAP 3. E30.
Exciting to see if there is more power than at ESS II.
Is there anybody else who have dynoed X6/5M cars? We need more facts so we can go further with this cars and engines.

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I dynoed this weekend
Map 2
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517whp @ around 17psi

Will try again in 2 weeks time
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I dynoed this weekend
Map 2
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JB4 only
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517whp @ around 17psi

Will try again in 2 weeks time
Thanks.
So around 45 hp more than stock at the crank.
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