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Default 08-24-2017, 02:25 PM

My car run strong now.. I have change the coils. No miss fires anymore.
Tomorrow dyno day.
Here is my latest log. Map 3. Fuel E30.
I got also a better time from 0-125 mph / (200 km/h). Now its 13,4 sek. The previous best time was 13,9 sek. So it was a big step.

Tomorrow will be an interesting day
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Default 08-24-2017, 05:02 PM

Awesome, keep us posted :-)


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Default 08-27-2017, 03:00 PM

Hello.

- Dynoed the car at friday. 708 hp. Map 3 E30.
- 1/4 mile at saturday. 11,86 / 118,46 mph ( 4 times under 12 sek.)
- 1 mile today / sunday 164,5 mph

So Im verry verry happy with JB4+ BMC.
JB4+BMC gave 72 hp more than ESS stage II.

One thing more. I did two runs with and without air boxes. The difference was 5 kW. (Around 7 hp). So those intakes which cost over 1000 USD is not worth it.

I have small probleems with JB4. Few times its show me "reduce power".
After few minutes its gone. No fault codes. . This problem happen everytime when you floor it from higher gear to lower gear and its dangerous. If you're just bypassing another car and then its happen. You cant do anything than braking and retreating to your own lane back because you have no power, but if the another car brakes too, there will be some serious problems

Terry can you jump in and tell us what the problem is and corrected our problem. Paul have it too.
Then two more questions.
1. FOL at MAP 6. If I adjust it there. Do it adjust it at each different Map or only at Map 6 ?
2. Boost safety at Map 6. Does it affect at every Map or only at Map 6?

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Default 08-27-2017, 03:51 PM

Great numbers!!

Without the airbox means you're pulling air from the engine bay vs in front of the radiator, but point made. I still love mine ($800) though simply because I love hearing the BOVs going off :-)

You can set the JB4 to autoclear codes via the steering wheel settings...MPH at 10 and tach at 3000 then back out of the JB4 settings or you can clear on the fly (it'll take about 5 seconds vs power cycling the engine on and off) by going MPH at 10 and tach at 2000 and then back out of the JB4. I assume you're trying to read the codes via JB4...have you tried using an OBDII based reader instead? The JB4 gave me unreadable codes and I never got replies as to what they meant here, but when I used my Carista app is when I discovered I was getting throttle actuation and misfire codes.

Hopefully Terry will chime in both for both our questions but I'm guessing the FOL and safety is across all maps, I believe that RPM based boost settings are the only thing that map 6 adjusts.


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Default 08-27-2017, 09:55 PM

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Hello.

- Dynoed the car at friday. 708 hp. Map 3 E30.
- 1/4 mile at saturday. 11,86 / 118,46 mph ( 4 times under 12 sek.)
- 1 mile today / sunday 164,5 mph

So Im verry verry happy with JB4+ BMC.
JB4+BMC gave 72 hp more than ESS stage II.

One thing more. I did two runs with and without air boxes. The difference was 5 kW. (Around 7 hp). So those intakes which cost over 1000 USD is not worth it.

I have small probleems with JB4. Few times its show me "reduce power".
After few minutes its gone. No fault codes. . This problem happen everytime when you floor it from higher gear to lower gear and its dangerous. If you're just bypassing another car and then its happen. You cant do anything than braking and retreating to your own lane back because you have no power, but if the another car brakes too, there will be some serious problems

Terry can you jump in and tell us what the problem is and corrected our problem. Paul have it too.
Then two more questions.
1. FOL at MAP 6. If I adjust it there. Do it adjust it at each different Map or only at Map 6 ?
2. Boost safety at Map 6. Does it affect at every Map or only at Map 6?
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Default 08-28-2017, 03:17 AM

Nice , now let's see the dyno and time slips. What da was the 1/4 mile time at?


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Default 08-28-2017, 09:10 AM

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Right not via email, this thread only for all S63 information.

It's an N63 TypeA hardware. And N63 BCM. You also need 2 posi-taps and won't use OBDII cable.
So:
  • 1x Full N63 JB4 BETA Kit w/ OBDII CANbus - Harness Type A
  • 1x 2010-2013 X5M, X6M, & 550 N63/S63 JB4 Boost Control Module (BCM)

Right? Or does it need 2 BCM?
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Default 08-28-2017, 10:59 AM

[QUOTE=m5james;555899]Great numbers!!

Without the airbox means you're pulling air from the engine bay vs in front of the radiator, but point made. I still love mine ($800) though simply because I love hearing the BOVs going off :-)

I run my car at booth runs engine hood open.
So no heat soak problems there.
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Default 08-28-2017, 11:09 AM

Here two videos of the mile run and dynocharts + 1/4 mile. From inside and outside the car. Hold the I-phone at the right hand and drove with left hand.

200 km/h is 125 mph.
280 km/h is 175 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q7e...m-upload_owner



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVad...m-upload_owner

Dyno run. With the airbox on 506,5 kW and without 511 kW.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wdj0p4l4i..._9754.JPG?dl=0

519 kW run.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wtdj0e085b..._9753.JPG?dl=0

1/4 mile run.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/73tzlmkmij..._9782.JPG?dl=0

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Default 08-28-2017, 11:19 AM

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Here two videos of the mile run and dynocharts + 1/4 mile. From inside and outside the car. Hold the I-phone at the right hand and drove with left hand.

200 km/h is 125 mph.
280 km/h is 175 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q7e...m-upload_owner



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVad...m-upload_owner

Dyno run. With the airbox on 506,5 kW and without 511 kW.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wdj0p4l4i..._9754.JPG?dl=0

519 kW run.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wtdj0e085b..._9753.JPG?dl=0

1/4 mile run.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/73tzlmkmij..._9782.JPG?dl=0
Nice! No issues with the transmission or transfer case at these levels?
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Nice! No issues with the transmission or transfer case at these levels?

No nothing. Only sometimes something wrong with the JB4+BCM because the reduce power jump in. I think its because its run to lean when you floor it from higher gear to lower gear.
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Default 08-28-2017, 11:43 AM

Terry Terry.... we need your help so we can go further with our cars.

Terry can you jump in and tell us what the problem is and corrected our problem. Paul have it too.
Then two more questions.
1. FOL at MAP 6. If I adjust it there. Do it adjust it at each different Map or only at Map 6 ?
2. Boost safety at Map 6. Does it affect at every Map or only at Map 6?
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No nothing. Only sometimes something wrong with the JB4+BCM because the reduce power jump in. I think its because its run to lean when you floor it from higher gear to lower gear.
Glad to hear that.

You said you have the ESS II tune... I only see two options on their site:
  • ESS E-Flash S63 ECU Performance Software
  • S63 E-Tronic Tuner S63 E-Tronic Tuner

Is it just the first one you have?
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Glad to hear that.

You said you have the ESS II tune... I only see two options on their site:
  • ESS E-Flash S63 ECU Performance Software
  • S63 E-Tronic Tuner S63 E-Tronic Tuner

Is it just the first one you have?
Yes, its the Flash I have. ESS send me updated flash one year later and told me its stage II.
But I have think maybe the flash is the "reduce power" problem I have now.
So I have think to install OEM flash bak and use JB4 with OEM software and see if it help.

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Yes its the Flash I have. ESS send me updated flash one year later and told me its stage II.
But I have think maybe the flash is the "reduce power" problem I have now.
So I have think to install OEM flash bak and use JB4 with OEM software and see if it help.
Does the jb4 by itself clear the code for c@tless down-pipe$?

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While this can maybe be answerable by anyone, hopefully Terry will chime in.

I was curious about swapping from a 13627585492 2bar sensor to a 13627843531 3.5bar sensor, which will in turn mean I need to buy two of the $32 BMS adapters as well. The 3.5bar sensor happens to be used on the F85 X5M as well, fun little fact. Nevertheless the reason I ask is because I've run map 6 on two different occasions where I try to go over 21psi and I'll get a P12A9 overboost CEL that won't clear and will finally reset after a few days. I wanted to see if they're a drop-in type item or if they'd actually require a different flash.
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Does the jb4 by itself clear the code for c@tless down-pipe$?
I have not c@tless down-pipe. I have down-pipe with 200Cel race cats.
When I get the "reduce power" I don't clear the code my self. I only slow down and after few minutes the reduce power is gone and everything is working great.

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No nothing. Only sometimes something wrong with the JB4+BCM because the reduce power jump in. I think its because its run to lean when you floor it from higher gear to lower gear.
when you log through the jb4 it should show you if its running out of fuel, i read somewhere that our s63 uses the same fuel injectors as the n54 motor? **MAYBE** a n54 stage 2 fuel pump will be a direct fit as well, little research involved.
That would solve the fueling issue but we would need a backend flash to better control fuel trims


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when you log through the jb4 it should show you if its running out of fuel, i read somewhere that our s63 uses the same fuel injectors as the n54 motor? **MAYBE** a n54 stage 2 fuel pump will be a direct fit as well, little research involved.
That would solve the fueling issue but we would need a backend flash to better control fuel trims
Yes, I think thats the true.
My car do it also when the car is cold I mean the engine is cold. Its dangerous.

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Yes, I think thats the true.
My car do it also when the car is cold I mean the engine is cold. Its dangerous.

You are not the only one in the country having this problem. My customer Paul also is having issues.

He is dropping his car off with me tomorrow and we are going to take another look into what is actually going on with it. If I can find a good solution, I will be happy to pass it on to you.

I do think that the shift has to do with it. When I first built his car, I paddle shifted it ALWAYS, and never had the problem. Delivered the car to him without even thinking about casually driving it. It's only in Drive, where you let the transmission do the shifting, on his car that we have this problem. Does the same apply to you?


Please keep in mind, this is not the proper forum to ask for support. Terry and BMS have made another forum section to post logs, ask for support and advice tuning, etc.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35

I see a lot of guys asking for help in these forums and not getting responses. Terry has a ton of people to assist, and he can't scan the entire forum all day. I'm sure if you post in there, the crew will start to try and help!
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Just ordered the N63 JB4 Beta and a BCM. Guess we'll see if I can cobble it together to work.

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Fingers crossed!


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You are not the only one in the country having this problem. My customer Paul also is having issues.

He is dropping his car off with me tomorrow and we are going to take another look into what is actually going on with it. If I can find a good solution, I will be happy to pass it on to you.

I do think that the shift has to do with it. When I first built his car, I paddle shifted it ALWAYS, and never had the problem. Delivered the car to him without even thinking about casually driving it. It's only in Drive, where you let the transmission do the shifting, on his car that we have this problem. Does the same apply to you?


Please keep in mind, this is not the proper forum to ask for support. Terry and BMS have made another forum section to post logs, ask for support and advice tuning, etc.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35

I see a lot of guys asking for help in these forums and not getting responses. Terry has a ton of people to assist, and he can't scan the entire forum all day. I'm sure if you post in there, the crew will start to try and help!
Yes, Exactly same problem!!

Terry told me for a while ago to made all questions at this forum. S63.
Terry also now we have asked few questions HERE and he answer me two days ago that he is gone answer us.
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Default 08-31-2017, 01:04 PM

Yes, we do run the same injectors as the N54.

What is telling you guys that it's a fueling issue? Adjusting FOL isn't enough? I'm all for going bigger pumps if needed, then I'm still curious about using 3.5bar boost sensors (hopefully it'll stop my random 30FF and 2F24) and maybe even N55 coils...common high boost N54 mods


'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - MHD 1+, BMS DCI, RB/Mishimoto, VRSF 7"
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch, L/W flywheel, 3.23LSD, Z4///M staggered 18's

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You are not the only one in the country having this problem. My customer Paul also is having issues.
Normally we don't provide support via forum threads but this product is no longer officially supported, so we won't be able to help via email. This thread is the best and only place for those of you running it to share information.


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