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Default Best methanol alternative? - 10-07-2014, 09:42 PM

So I just ordered my meth kit tonight. No one here local sells methanol that I have found. That being said what is the next best alternative to methanol?
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Default 10-07-2014, 10:07 PM

I have been using boost juice for about 3 yrs .It is 50% methanol and 50% water sells for about 40.00 for a case of 4 gallons. You can order from summit or jegs and have it shipped to your home if your in the states.


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Default 10-08-2014, 12:06 AM

Some people use e85 instead of meth


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someone uses toluene?
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Default 10-08-2014, 12:40 AM

I understand that a lot of the Audi boys use genuine Audi Quantum screenwash as its 50%+ methenol and cheap to buy 5litres.
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Default 10-08-2014, 12:46 AM

-25F WW fluid and Heet. Gotta check the MSDs on the WW fluid to make sure it has the necessary meth content and no ethylene glycol or other chemicals that you don't want in your engine.

I was spraying the NAPA -25F fluid on its own and it seemed to work well, but adding two bottles of heet per gallon brings it up to about 50/50
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Default 10-08-2014, 04:17 AM

Case of 4 gal of 50/50 boost juice is around $45 shipped from Summit Racing.
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+1 on the -25F WW fluid. By far the best way to do it unless you need high conc. Not all -25F WW fluids are the same though.
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I used a whole case of heet one time when I was out of M1


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Default 10-08-2014, 06:11 AM

Denatured alcohol works well also.


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Default 10-08-2014, 08:43 AM

So I can buy denatured alcohol local. Would 100% DA yield better #'s than say Boost Juice, or a 50/50 mix?
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Default 10-08-2014, 09:37 AM

Denatured alky should be better than boost juice which is a 50/50 mix.


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Default 10-08-2014, 10:03 AM

denatured alcohol is essentially the absolute next best thing to meth , i use it regularly . i would NOT use e85.


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I use 192 proof hyrdrous ethanol.

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Default 10-08-2014, 10:32 AM

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denatured alcohol is essentially the absolute next best thing to meth , i use it regularly . i would NOT use e85.
Why so? Alot of other platforms use it. You think cause of the pump?


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Default 10-08-2014, 10:39 AM

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Why so? Alot of other platforms use it. You think cause of the pump?
Thats one reason yea, but Terry chimed in on a few different occasions where people would mention it and he advised against it.

I mean its cheaper sure.. but i can get two bottles of WW fluid, two containers of de nat alcohol from walmart and mix a good 60/40 blend for 10 $ for two gallons.. I know evo guys do it so I dont know, I just wouldnt do it, guess i shouldnt have capitalized the NOT , its more of my opinion at this point.

Id actually like to further clarify this actually... Anyone else?


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So I can buy denatured alcohol local. Would 100% DA yield better #'s than say Boost Juice, or a 50/50 mix?
Best to do logs with different mixes to find your sweet spot.effectively 100% should yield best performance depending on outside temps hot or cold etc. Denatured alky can be bought anywhere,Walmart lowes Home Depot are popular few.Also denatured has higher octane 129 vs methanol 123.boiling point are close,denatured=147,methanol=149f.


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Also denatured has higher octane 129 vs methanol 123.boiling point are close,denatured=147,methanol=149f.
these numbers are irrelevant, the denatured alcohol burns hotter than methanol, which is worse for making power not better, octane number and boiling point do not play a role when it comes to meth/water injection


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these numbers are irrelevant, the denatured alcohol burns hotter than methanol, which is worse for making power not better, octane number and boiling point do not play a role when it comes to meth/water injection
Actually that isn't correct either. You want something that burns as hot as possible. Heat causes expansion which creates power. You want something that absorbs as much heat as possible when turning from the liquid to gaseous state so that you cool the intake charge, but burns as hot as possible to produce power, within safe limits for the engine.
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Actually that isn't correct either. You want something that burns as hot as possible. Heat causes expansion which creates power. You want something that absorbs as much heat as possible when turning from the liquid to gaseous state so that you cool the intake charge, but burns as hot as possible to produce power, within safe limits for the engine.
But on a boosted car you want to have the coldest burning fuel (this is why E85 is so popular) because it burns cooler (and you need more of it) allowing more boost and more timing. For meth injection on a boosted car you want to cool the air charge and prevent detonation with a percentage of what you injection being water, the water % is your safety it too dangerous to tune your car in such a way that the water saves the engine at every combustion cycle.


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I use a 50/50 mix of denatured alcohol and ww fluid. I asked the same question on a previous post, awhile back, and for the most part denatured alcohol was the best alternative to meth due to it's availability.


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Thats one reason yea, but Terry chimed in on a few different occasions where people would mention it and he advised against it.

I mean its cheaper sure.. but i can get two bottles of WW fluid, two containers of de nat alcohol from walmart and mix a good 60/40 blend for 10 $ for two gallons.. I know evo guys do it so I dont know, I just wouldnt do it, guess i shouldnt have capitalized the NOT , its more of my opinion at this point.

Id actually like to further clarify this actually... Anyone else?
Yea i mean its not about the money. I get 100% meth for 4.25/g lol so uea. I was jw about the e85. I would think its like denatured alky no? Ethyl alky etc


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Yea i mean its not about the money. I get 100% meth for 4.25/g lol so uea. I was jw about the e85. I would think its like denatured alky no? Ethyl alky etc
Wow where do you get meth so cheap?
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Wow where do you get meth so cheap?
he may live close to a race track or something. I got my meth for about $3.5/gal. but I have to buy it in 55 gallons barrel.


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I've seen the 55 gal barrels on ebay but my UPS guy would kill me...if the shipping charges hadn't already.
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