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Angry BAD Experience with VTT Vargas double barrel Kit HPFP Upgrade - 08-09-2018, 07:04 AM

Hey guys,

i want to tell my experience with that kit from Tony.
I had a deal with him that I will make some Advertising for him. So, Ive got the kit a Little bit cheaper.
So, here we go

1. Tony didnt shipped the kit immediately because the fuel rail wasnt in stock as he said before payment
2. the Y-fuel hose LPFP was missing... he shipped it later --> waiting 2 more weeks
3. his installguide is wrong, so I cutted my water hose at the wrong spot for automatic Transmission. I told him that but no answer about that

4. the kit is running and HPFP is high... Iam on single turbo pte6466 and e100 fuel. We maxed out the fuel scalar in the flash at 22psi.. trims are on +Limit and that with meth(CM12) enabled... We cant push more fuel through the di injectors in our opinion. Again... HPFP is still high but I see no Chance so push more fuel to the cylinder...
I told that to Tony and he said that the kit is proven for about 800whp :D:D:D So my question! Who did 800whp at only that kit? And who can tune it?
Ive got no help from Tony to fix that Problem. Ive sent him logs and he told me that I maxed out the di injectors.... Iam on 22psi with meth and ist maxed out???? 22 psi makes ~700 Crank HP... ist far away from 800whp...
The only Thing that Tony did was to offend me. I will post the emails if he is talking **** in that thread.

But regardless to Tony... Is there help to push more fuel through the di injectors?

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Default 08-09-2018, 07:18 AM

It is no secret we are not the biggest fans of VTT however in this case it appears your biggest issues are really small ones and all in all it seems the kit is working well when said and done. Could it have all gone smoother? Sure. But product functionality-wise the FP being high = good.

Perhaps there needs to be some more discussions of WHP capacities of the system, but this will take more contributions from actual users to get a better idea as there are always going to be tons of variables there.

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Default 08-09-2018, 09:43 AM

Maxed out a double barrel sounds odd but I don't know it's full capabilities.
You're using an AIC I assume?


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Default 08-09-2018, 10:10 AM

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Hey guys,

i want to tell my experience with that kit from Tony.
I had a deal with him that I will make some Advertising for him. So, Ive got the kit a Little bit cheaper.
So, here we go

1. Tony didnt shipped the kit immediately because the fuel rail wasnt in stock as he said before payment
2. the Y-fuel hose LPFP was missing... he shipped it later --> waiting 2 more weeks
3. his installguide is wrong, so I cutted my water hose at the wrong spot for automatic Transmission. I told him that but no answer about that

4. the kit is running and HPFP is high... Iam on single turbo pte6466 and e100 fuel. We maxed out the fuel scalar in the flash at 22psi.. trims are on +Limit and that with meth(CM12) enabled... We cant push more fuel through the di injectors in our opinion. Again... HPFP is still high but I see no Chance so push more fuel to the cylinder...
I told that to Tony and he said that the kit is proven for about 800whp :D:D:D So my question! Who did 800whp at only that kit? And who can tune it?
Ive got no help from Tony to fix that Problem. Ive sent him logs and he told me that I maxed out the di injectors.... Iam on 22psi with meth and ist maxed out???? 22 psi makes ~700 Crank HP... ist far away from 800whp...
The only Thing that Tony did was to offend me. I will post the emails if he is talking **** in that thread.

But regardless to Tony... Is there help to push more fuel through the di injectors?

Thanks

Henryk
I have seen a single turbo car on a dual shotgun make 700whp and rail pressure was still 2000+. Maybe a tuning issue?


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Default 08-09-2018, 03:05 PM

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I have seen a single turbo car on a dual shotgun make 700whp and rail pressure was still 2000+. Maybe a tuning issue?

+1... I'm running a single barrel and straight E85 and pushing 26psi.
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Default 08-09-2018, 09:50 PM

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Maxed out a double barrel sounds odd but I don't know it's full capabilities.
You're using an AIC I assume?
Yes, Iam using the AIC to control/ activate the 2nd HPFP.

"I have seen a single turbo car on a dual shotgun make 700whp and rail pressure was still 2000+. Maybe a tuning issue?"

Tell me who can tunes it because if you maxed out the fuel scalar in the Flash you have no other Chance to push more fuel through the injectors in our opinion.

"+1... I'm running a single barrel and straight E85 and pushing 26psi."

26 psi with which Turbo? 26psi on small bi Turbo is not the same like 26 psi on bigger single Turbo.
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Default 08-09-2018, 11:00 PM

Soon to be on that level getting a doc race kit shortly is the aic turning on the 2nd hpfp for sure? Also maybe try e85 not e100, also I'm getting pi to get more fuel in the cylinder I didn't think our injectors would support that hp without help from pi


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Soon to be on that level getting a doc race kit shortly is the aic turning on the 2nd hpfp for sure? Also maybe try e85 not e100, also I'm getting pi to get more fuel in the cylinder I didn't think our injectors would support that hp without help from pi
Yes, the AIC is only to turning 2nd HPFP on and how much goes through it.
E85 to E100 does only a very small difference...
It seems to me that Tonys promises are wrong unless he or somebody can Show the opposite
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Yes, Iam using the AIC to control/ activate the 2nd HPFP.

"I have seen a single turbo car on a dual shotgun make 700whp and rail pressure was still 2000+. Maybe a tuning issue?"

Tell me who can tunes it because if you maxed out the fuel scalar in the Flash you have no other Chance to push more fuel through the injectors in our opinion.

"+1... I'm running a single barrel and straight E85 and pushing 26psi."

26 psi with which Turbo? 26psi on small bi Turbo is not the same like 26 psi on bigger single Turbo.
The car was tuned by Ken. It is the guys with the budget bummer YouTube channel. Pretty sure it is a 6266 or 6466.


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Default 08-10-2018, 06:34 PM

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Yes, the AIC is only to turning 2nd HPFP on and how much goes through it.
E85 to E100 does only a very small difference...
It seems to me that Tonys promises are wrong unless he or somebody can Show the opposite
Yeah a had a turbo of his that lasted 6k miles before it died, so yeah probably part of the problem


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Default 08-11-2018, 12:47 AM

At 22 psi you definitely do not need e100. Back that mixture off to e50 or e60 and you'll still have plenty of octane + more fuel. Running e100 is just overkill and making things harder on yourself.
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Default 08-11-2018, 10:23 AM

Im a little suprised no one asked this! What are his LPFP mods? Did he replace the fuel lines from the tank to the engine? He's trying to run E100 which means he needs more fuel and more fuel pressure. Unless he's running a stage 4 setup his LPFP setup and stock lines are the culprit of his problems. Post some logs! Also are the hpfp's new or used? How many miles.

Edit: Found his mods in another post of his, logs will go along way to see if the fuel is not keeping up at the hpfp or on the lpfp size, but based on his mods his lpfp setup should be fine.

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Yes, Iam using the AIC to control/ activate the 2nd HPFP.

"I have seen a single turbo car on a dual shotgun make 700whp and rail pressure was still 2000+. Maybe a tuning issue?"

Tell me who can tunes it because if you maxed out the fuel scalar in the Flash you have no other Chance to push more fuel through the injectors in our opinion.

"+1... I'm running a single barrel and straight E85 and pushing 26psi."

26 psi with which Turbo? 26psi on small bi Turbo is not the same like 26 psi on bigger single Turbo.
True, and yes I running GC turbos. What I was getting after is, considering he has a double barrel kit, is running less boost, and is using a fuel mix its surprising 22psi is maxing out the fuel system.
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I'm with buster84. Why have logs not been posted at this point...?


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+1... I'm running a single barrel and straight E85 and pushing 26psi.
What is your lpfp setup? Did you make any changes to your .bin besides the fuel pressure table?
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At 22 psi you definitely do not need e100. Back that mixture off to e50 or e60 and you'll still have plenty of octane + more fuel. Running e100 is just overkill and making things harder on yourself.
The Goal isnt to drive 22 psi... For my Goal high octane is highly needed... 22 psi is only the Point where the oem di injectors arent able to Support more fuel in my case...
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Im a little suprised no one asked this! What are his LPFP mods? Did he replace the fuel lines from the tank to the engine? He's trying to run E100 which means he needs more fuel and more fuel pressure. Unless he's running a stage 4 setup his LPFP setup and stock lines are the culprit of his problems. Post some logs! Also are the hpfp's new or used? How many miles.

Edit: Found his mods in another post of his, logs will go along way to see if the fuel is not keeping up at the hpfp or on the lpfp size, but based on his mods his lpfp setup should be fine.
You dont understand the Problem.. My LPFP Setup is stage 4 Setup custom made by me 2x455 with 2 seperated fuel lines, external filter and upgraded fuel lines...
LPFP is good of course.. HPFP is still high, too... that isnt the Problem... the kit from Tony works but the oem di injectors are the limiting factor.. they cant Support that much fuel that Tony promised... thats all...
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You dont understand the Problem.. My LPFP Setup is stage 4 Setup custom made by me 2x455 with 2 seperated fuel lines, external filter and upgraded fuel lines...
LPFP is good of course.. HPFP is still high, too... that isnt the Problem... the kit from Tony works but the oem di injectors are the limiting factor.. they cant Support that much fuel that Tony promised... thats all...
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You dont understand the Problem.. My LPFP Setup is stage 4 Setup custom made by me 2x455 with 2 seperated fuel lines, external filter and upgraded fuel lines...
LPFP is good of course.. HPFP is still high, too... that isnt the Problem... the kit from Tony works but the oem di injectors are the limiting factor.. they cant Support that much fuel that Tony promised... thats all...
Two 455s are not stage 4. 3 pumps are which is what you said you had in the other thread and now you say it's two... you cant even get your mods straight how do you expect us to take your word that Tony lied about the hp of his kits. If his kit handles more power and the injectors are the issue then its again not his fault which your thread is all about.

Are you going to blame turbo companys for selling you a 2000hp turbo and claiming that you had bad experiences with them just because your engine couldn't handle more than 600? If the injectors are the problem upgrade them or stop using e100.

This thread is worthless and your attacks against vtt are worthless without logs proving what your saying. There are plenty of logs out there showing that his system works. You also never answered whether these are new hpfps OEM or not because tired ones are weaker. Are you using index 12 injectors?

I wouldn't expect more help without logs.


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Default 08-13-2018, 05:12 PM

I had the exact opposite expiriance with tony. Bought the shotgun kit, found out that it wouldn't fit because I have active steering. He was quick to respond, and offered me a full refund. I emailed him a few times and he replied in minutes.

sounds like your tooner might not know what he is doing.
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What is your lpfp setup? Did you make any changes to your .bin besides the fuel pressure table?
I'm running stage 2 bucketless (holding strong) without issue. Tuning has been done threw terbila, who has been great. I don't know what he all changed in the backend flash, but he did have me make several changes in JB4.
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I had the exact opposite expiriance with tony. Bought the shotgun kit, found out that it wouldn't fit because I have active steering. He was quick to respond, and offered me a full refund. I emailed him a few times and he replied in minutes.

sounds like your tooner might not know what he is doing.
Yes, I've also had a great experience with Tony... I've emailed him on a Sunday night about some missing hardware in my single barrel kit, and he responded within a hour / got the missing hardware shipped that Monday.... That's amazing customer service, in my opinion.
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The Goal isnt to drive 22 psi... For my Goal high octane is highly needed... 22 psi is only the Point where the oem di injectors arent able to Support more fuel in my case...
Right but you're missing the point. E100 uses MORE fuel than needed for 22 psi. Go down to a e70 mix and you will likely get the same results Tony advertises. You could most likely run that turbo at 26~ psi if you reduce the ethanol mix.
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Two 455s are not stage 4. 3 pumps are which is what you said you had in the other thread and now you say it's two... you cant even get your mods straight how do you expect us to take your word that Tony lied about the hp of his kits. If his kit handles more power and the injectors are the issue then its again not his fault which your thread is all about.

Are you going to blame turbo companys for selling you a 2000hp turbo and claiming that you had bad experiences with them just because your engine couldn't handle more than 600? If the injectors are the problem upgrade them or stop using e100.

This thread is worthless and your attacks against vtt are worthless without logs proving what your saying. There are plenty of logs out there showing that his system works. You also never answered whether these are new hpfps OEM or not because tired ones are weaker. Are you using index 12 injectors?

I wouldn't expect more help without logs.
Look when I posted your showed post of me. That was after my world record run. After that I changed the LPFP System as I said. Look at the fuel it kit. Its the same like me (the stage 4 Setup of them).
Of course it is a lie if the injectors cant handle more than 22 psi!
Tony has to know how much they can Support! And when he is saying that you can drive "800+whp" with that Setup then he lies!

When you are asking how old my HPFP is then you didnt understand anything bro I told that HPFP is high but the injectors cant handle more.

WHERE ARE THE x-People who had proven his System as he wrote me??? :D:D:D I see nobody here?!

Yes, Iam using brand new index 12 injectors.
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