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Default 06-28-2018, 01:51 AM

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F series instructions:

1- Remove FSB, only use PI controller
2- Yes, correct.
3- It should be Pin #3, you can just pull it out or cut wire/leave it.
4- PI white wire will go to Pin #16
5- Yes, correct.
6- Purple signal wire needs to be extended to OBD Molex.
Thanks Payam,

Just need to be very sure on item 6. How to pin into the obd Molex & into which slot?


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Default 06-28-2018, 03:06 AM

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Thanks Payam,

Just need to be very sure on item 6. How to pin into the obd Molex & into which slot?
Correction, yes the previous Pin 3 removed, Pin 16 & Purple wire are all still the same as previous.

But after logging I noticed Meth not spraying, can I try to use JB4ís orange wire to trigger the Relay instead of using PI Controllerís Yellow wire?


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Default 06-28-2018, 09:46 AM

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Correction, yes the previous Pin 3 removed, Pin 16 & Purple wire are all still the same as previous.

But after logging I noticed Meth not spraying, can I try to use JB4ís orange wire to trigger the Relay instead of using PI Controllerís Yellow wire?
The FSB should be removed all together, shouldn't be in the equation.


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Default 06-28-2018, 10:07 AM

Put the blue wire in its place , set meth scaling 60 , FSB should be in equation to take advantage of safety systems and monitoring the meth flow. White cable for PI and blue cable for meth don't control anything, they only monitor, that is why you can only run one or the other.As soon as we see that PI is working as it should, then you can disconnect the white wire and return to the blue wire to monitor meth.

Make sure for monitoring PI, meth scaling is set to 100, to monitor meth when the blue wire is installed, set meth scaling to 60. Keep up with the blue wire then set your meth psi to 4, meth safety to 3, meth trigger to 0, and all your fuel biases to 50 and post a log.


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Default 06-28-2018, 03:45 PM

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The FSB should be removed all together, shouldn't be in the equation.
Yes, FSB was removed but is not working


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Default 06-29-2018, 08:29 AM

Had confirmed with Terry, not all PI controller will have those Thick Yellow or Orange wires at least mine donít.

I have 2 Meth pumps, 1st pump goes to the PI Meth, 2nd pump went to the CP. Now by adding a Relay (JB4-FSB-Relay-Pump), they worked well for my setup (S55).

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Default 07-16-2018, 09:17 AM

Which relay ? Where can we buy and how can we add to that setup without zero issues ? Could anyone please expand this we are so tired anymore !


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Default 07-16-2018, 09:19 AM

A universal 30 amp automotive relay is normally used.


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Default 07-16-2018, 09:28 AM

So , is it not risky if it triggers all the time ?


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Default 07-16-2018, 10:19 AM

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So , is it not risky if it triggers all the time ?
It should only be triggered at a certain psi via hobbs.


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Default 07-16-2018, 03:41 PM

By saying hobbs do you refer to the one in the picture ?
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Default 07-18-2018, 01:47 PM

Are those who are running 7th injector in the charge pipe need an additional meth pump , assuming per injectors need 40 psi to run and the meth pump capacity’s is just only 200 psi ?


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Default 07-19-2018, 03:34 PM

do we need a single bigger pump or can I use 2 x 200psi pumps (one for the Port and one for the nozzle)?

If we do, am I going to have to upgrade the fuse?


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Default 07-20-2018, 12:23 PM

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do we need a single bigger pump or can I use 2 x 200psi pumps (one for the Port and one for the nozzle)?

If we do, am I going to have to upgrade the fuse?
1 pump should flow enough.


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Default 07-20-2018, 12:40 PM

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1 pump should flow enough.
Incorrect. I tested it. The pressure for both is quite heavy. IAT dives up only for second then raises badly. FYI payam.


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Default 07-20-2018, 05:04 PM

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Incorrect. I tested it. The pressure for both is quite heavy. IAT dives up only for second then raises badly. FYI payam.
Did you do the math? You can up the pressure to the pump. Each pump should be about 1.3 GPM


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Default 07-21-2018, 12:46 AM

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Did you do the math? You can up the pressure to the pump. Each pump should be about 1.3 GPM
correct me if im wrong.

1.3GPM @0Psi.
0.10Gpm @200psi ??
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Default 08-08-2018, 09:29 AM

My install is done. To activate the system I set fuel bias/enrichment values as needed and meth scaling to 99. And it just works? What maps will it be active? If i need to disable for any reason do i need to reset fuel bias to 0 or meth scaling to 0?


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Default 08-08-2018, 09:34 AM

Log it and evaluate on a conservative map like map2 to start.

The Fuel bias is what determines the PI flow so setting them all to 0 would disable it.


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Default 08-08-2018, 10:18 AM

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correct me if im wrong.

1.3GPM @0Psi.
0.10Gpm @200psi ??
Cap is @200psi which should never be set at. Usually 150 psi .6GPM from our data sheet


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Default 08-08-2018, 07:32 PM

Looks pretty good so far for a preliminary map2 pull. Pump bef
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Looks pretty good so far for a preliminary map2 pull. Pump bef
I agree it does look good!
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Default 08-08-2018, 11:03 PM

Just realized I'm not getting a signal on the meth pid... Hmm I'm not using a fsb and not seeing much of a dive in fuel trims. Maybe it's not so good?


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Just realized I'm not getting a signal on the meth pid... Hmm I'm not using a fsb and not seeing much of a dive in fuel trims. Maybe it's not so good?
No, you want to look at fuel enrichment. There is a signal so you know it's working.


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Default 08-09-2018, 02:26 PM

Ok I must have miss read then. I was under the understanding that fuel enrichment was the signal from the jb4 to the pi controller and then the pi controller would send a signal back to the jb4 via the meth pid that it was activating. Hence the reason to set meth scaler to 99


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