N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion
(#1)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default RB turbos on 535 - 04-23-2013, 02:31 PM

I finally picked up my car today, complete with new RB turbos. I think I am the first 535 to report on them actually.
The shop had the car for a full week due to a variety of other issues that were either preplanned or discovered while the car was opened up and stripped down.
Chiefly some oil leaks in the valve cover gasket and some sort of line off the manifold they had a hard time sourcing parts for.
Finally it all got resolved and I am pleased to have the car back in tip top shape.

My car has 85,000 miles on it, and the first comment from the mechanics was that they thought this was awesome timing as the stock turbos were just about toast. The waste gates were completely beat up, warped and hanging by a thread. One of the turbo fans was so worn that it had gone out of alignment. I guess FBO with meth and E85 doesn't help.
Just in the days before dropping the car off I noticed some big clouds of smoke periodically appearing from the exhaust, at any speed. Looked like diesel fumes from a big truck. So I thought I had a leaky turbo gasket. It turned out to be a combination of various leaks, but all sorted now. The parts bill for the turbos alone came to $600, so everything is pretty much replaced and I truly have brand new turbos with all the bells and whistles.

Installation, as expected on a 5, was a raging bitch to put it in diplomatic language. The shop gave me a big break on actual hours. Our chassis is bigger than a 3 series and it's the exact same engine, yet there is less room. Go figure. Let's remember that when a shop gives an estimate and only has experience with 3s and 1s. We should be prepared to pay a premium out of fairness to the shop.

I know everyone wants to hear about driving impressions, and I will revert to that in the coming days. Rob Beck advised to take it easy on the turbos the first 100 miles, to give them a slow burn in period. In fact you can smell the fresh oil a bit the first 20 minutes or so.
I only revved it up to 4k rpms a few times, and there is definitely more power, especially torque. But the main impression I got was how incredibly smooth they are. Maybe it's because my old set was so fried, but it felt like a new engine. It runs very quiet, and there is no drama on the highway. It just swooshes along at whatever speed you want. It's a liquid motion, and if anything they are quieter than the stock ones. I understand that changes when you open them up and run up to redline. Can't wait for that, but I am going to follow Rob's advice and put another 50 miles on it before I let 'em rip!

Stay tuned.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade

Last edited by Ocean; 04-23-2013 at 08:44 PM..
Reply With Quote
(#2)
Old
aoschadlin's Avatar
aoschadlin aoschadlin is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 344
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 535i
Default 04-23-2013, 03:02 PM

So that means, if it's only 50 miles, we'll have a full report tonight?


Cool stuff no longer installed.
Reply With Quote
(#3)
Old
hkninja's Avatar
hkninja hkninja is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 217
Join Date: Feb 2011
Car: 535i 6MT
Default 04-23-2013, 03:04 PM

Please dyno it soon as well!


2008 535i 6MT * JB4 G5 ISO * Luke performance flash * E40 * BMS 100% Meth * AR meowless ** * ETS FMIC * BMS OCC * BMS DCI * ER chargepipe * HKS bov * CDV deleted * Ksport coilovers * UUC short shift kit * AC schnitzer rear spolier *
Reply With Quote
(#4)
Old
lenn lenn is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 53
Join Date: Dec 2012
Car: 535xi Wagon
Default 04-23-2013, 03:06 PM

Ocean, I thought you were in LI? Come by and take me for a spin :D

I would love to go with the RBs on the wagon, but need the proper motivation, lol.
Reply With Quote
(#5)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-23-2013, 05:23 PM

Lenn,

I was at Camber Toe Performance in Lynbrook, LI to pick up the car.
They are former BMW A Techs, run their own independent shop, know their stuff.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade
Reply With Quote
(#6)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-23-2013, 06:52 PM

Lord have mercy!

I just went out on the highway and punched it a bunch of times. It is scary fast. I need a big brake kit! No doubt about it.
Glad I did the suspension, it needs it.

The engine is liquid smooth, but north of 5,000 rpms under full throttle the car takes off like it's possessed. It is blazing fast, but sooo buttery smooth. That's what is so scary. It takes off and just flies. I hit +130 a bunch of times and it happens real fast. The car feels completely unstressed and balanced, but it's got a whole new demon character. Spooky stuff.
I will have to say that I am not afraid to go up against any other car on the street now. I'd like to see anyone who can keep up with this north of 100 mph. The surges I was getting at that speed were spectacular. It's very addictive, but holy crud the power is so deceptive because of how smooth it is.
Hats off to The N54 engine, Terry Burger for the JB4 tune, Cobb for theirs, and to Rob Beck for his stellar work on these hybrid typhoons.
I am a very happy camper. This feels like a complete car. Ultimate sleeper.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade
Reply With Quote
(#7)
Old
v8bait's Avatar
v8bait v8bait is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 413
Join Date: Oct 2011
Car: E92 335i 6MT
Default 04-23-2013, 07:35 PM

Awesome! Good review, makes me want turbos. I know I'd be surprised to see a 5 other than the M lay it down. Sounds like a fun ride, congrats
Reply With Quote
(#8)
Old
dlp211 dlp211 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 26
Join Date: Mar 2013
Car: '08 Alpine White 535i
Default 04-23-2013, 07:42 PM

Nice, I am basically following in your footsteps. Did you get the sports package in your car and is the ride any rougher with the springs and shocks?
Reply With Quote
(#9)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-23-2013, 07:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlp211
Nice, I am basically following in your footsteps. Did you get the sports package in your car and is the ride any rougher with the springs and shocks?
The car came with the sports package, but the H&R Sport springs lowered it another 3/4". It feels very firm and athletic, not stiff or jarring. It never leans or loses it's balance. Very confidence inspiring at any speed.
However, the best suspension for this car is KW V2 coil overs, if you can spend the extra $$. KWs absorb bumps and road imperfections even better and keep the car planted.
I saved $1,000 by doing H&R with Konis and it's a nice combo and major upgrade. But if I could do it over I would have done KWs. It's a matter of refinement and drivability.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade
Reply With Quote
(#10)
Old
Terry @ BMS's Avatar
Terry @ BMS Terry @ BMS is offline
Tuner
 
Posts: 29,533
Join Date: Jan 2008
Default 04-23-2013, 07:54 PM

Glad to hear. Can't wait to see a couple logs.


Burger Motorsports
Home of the Worlds fastest N20s, N54s, N55s, S55s, N63s, and S63s!

It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser and installer of any BMS part to employ the correct installation techniques required to ensure the proper operation of BMS parts, and BMS disclaims any and all liability for any part failure due to improper installation or use. It is the sole responsibility of the customer to verify that the use of their vehicle and items purchased comply with federal, state and local regulations. BMS claims no legal federal, state or local certification concerning pollution controlled motor vehicles or mandated emissions requirements. BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways. Please click here for more information on legal requirements related to use of BMS parts.
Reply With Quote
(#11)
Old
Steve @ BMS/Fuel-It!'s Avatar
Steve @ BMS/Fuel-It! Steve @ BMS/Fuel-It! is offline
Tuner
 
Posts: 18,440
Join Date: Oct 2012
Car: 135i
Default 04-23-2013, 08:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Glad to hear. Can't wait to see a couple logs.
+1....where's the logs

Sounds awesome though...congrats, glad things went fairly smoothly...it's like you have a new car with a clean bill of health.



Click on our banner to visit our website!
Video of our Stage 2 LPFP upgrade installation.

BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways.
Reply With Quote
(#12)
Old
Chief Holley Chief Holley is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 48
Join Date: Jul 2012
Car: 2008 BMW 535
Default 04-23-2013, 09:15 PM

Man, I am so behind the power curve! I think the next thing will be is the intercooler. I would love to see what the car is putting down now Ocean, congrats!
Reply With Quote
(#13)
Old
Booyaazaa's Avatar
Booyaazaa Booyaazaa is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 126
Join Date: Oct 2012
Car: 535i
Default 04-24-2013, 02:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Holley
Man, I am so behind the power curve! I think the next thing will be is the intercooler. I would love to see what the car is putting down now Ocean, congrats!
+1
I'm thinking the same thing for my car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aoschadlin
So that means, if it's only 50 miles, we'll have a full report tonight?
Hey Andre, any word on your set?


'09 AW 535i
-FBO w/custom Cobb E45 map, Fuel_it Stg2 LPFP and Performance Gearing LSD

Reply With Quote
(#14)
Old
F1.tifosi's Avatar
F1.tifosi F1.tifosi is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 85
Join Date: Dec 2012
Car: 535i
Default 04-24-2013, 09:31 AM

Hey

i already sent a note to rob, i am going with RB's soon


418whp/476wtq; 0-60 in 3.83s
Jet Black | LCSW | ** WT | ZCW | ZPP | ZSP | 261 | 2TB | 322 | 415 | 416 | 609 | 610 | 620 | 677 | 6FL | 6UH |F/R Cameras | Escort 9500ix |
Cobb (Race E30 Map PTF -Jake) | Injen DCI | BMS OCC | ER anodized FMIC |AR ** Catted |TIAL Q BOV | ER Diverter Valve Charge Pipe | Quaife LSD| RPI GT Race Catback Exhaust | BMS LT Thermostat | P3(VIDI) Boost Gauge| LED AE, Interior, Fog, Side Marker | M5 trunk, Roof spoiler, bumper | 19" Style 433 M | Michelin PS A/S 3 |
Reply With Quote
(#15)
Old
aoschadlin's Avatar
aoschadlin aoschadlin is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 344
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 535i
Default 04-24-2013, 10:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyaazaa
+1
I'm thinking the same thing for my car.

Hey Andre, any word on your set?
I'm looking at around mid May.

In the meantime adding a LSD, new trunk mount Meth kit and both lpfp and hpfp upgrades.

Should be good to go after that. Well at least until the trans upgrade.


Cool stuff no longer installed.
Reply With Quote
(#16)
Old
DwsPrime DwsPrime is offline
New Member
 
Posts: 9
Join Date: Aug 2011
Car: 08 e60 LCI
Default 04-24-2013, 11:05 AM

Yeah we need dyno numbers for real! I have money burning a hole in my pocket....

Grats too! I got lost in a BMW day dream reading your second post about the pure awesomeness.
Reply With Quote
(#17)
Old
LessIsMore's Avatar
LessIsMore LessIsMore is offline
Inner Circle Member
 
Posts: 1,127
Join Date: Aug 2012
Car: 2009 535i Sport SAT
Default 04-24-2013, 02:43 PM

That sounds fantastic, Ocean.

Get to a dyno ASAP! You might be the most powerful, fastest non-M E60 out there now.

What map are you running with now on the JB4?


2017 AMG C63 -JB4
2009 535i - 548whp - sold
Reply With Quote
(#18)
Old
Steve @ BMS/Fuel-It!'s Avatar
Steve @ BMS/Fuel-It! Steve @ BMS/Fuel-It! is offline
Tuner
 
Posts: 18,440
Join Date: Oct 2012
Car: 135i
Default 04-24-2013, 02:52 PM

Log! Log! Log!

I don't care so much what a dyno says (they can lie)...I wanna see your rpm profile in third.



Click on our banner to visit our website!
Video of our Stage 2 LPFP upgrade installation.

BMS products labeled for use only in competition racing vehicles may only be used on competition racing vehicles operated exclusively on a closed course in conjunction with a sanctioned racing event, in accordance with all federal and state laws, and may never be operated on public roads/highways.
Reply With Quote
(#19)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-24-2013, 02:54 PM

Gimme a chance to break them in first, they still smell like fresh oil!

I have Cobb AP with an RB racemap that BMS furnishes. Then regular JB4 ISO set-up with meth and map 3. I sort of have what Terry has in his car as we have same DME.

This is the way to roll, I should have done this much sooner! Just a matter of $$ I guess. Anyone contemplating this, I'd say just do it and don't overthink it. It's pretty sweet.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade
Reply With Quote
(#20)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-24-2013, 02:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveAZ
Log! Log! Log!

I don't care so much what a dyno says (they can lie)...I wanna see your rpm profile in third.
See previous post, I am trying to respect the break in period. They have maybe 90 miles on them, lol.
Gotta treat them right, they are babies still.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade

Last edited by Ocean; 04-24-2013 at 03:42 PM..
Reply With Quote
(#21)
Old
Duperstar Duperstar is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 214
Join Date: May 2012
Car: 2009 535i xdrive
Default 04-24-2013, 03:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlp211
Nice, I am basically following in your footsteps. Did you get the sports package in your car and is the ride any rougher with the springs and shocks?
+1 Same path for me too. It's so hard to mod the 535 vs the other n54s. I plan to get the er intercooler and charge pipe next.


2009 535xi - JB4 G5 ISO -BMS Race Flash- BMS Intake - ER CP- Forge DVs- Active Autowerke intercooler- Gone

Activehybrid 3 - JB4 EWG/OBD- CTS Turbo Intake- VRSF CP- Bavsound Stage 1- current
Reply With Quote
(#22)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-24-2013, 03:41 PM

You will not regret the ER choice. Perfect fit. Be sure to include a meth bung on the CP even if you don't plan on using meth. Resale value, and in case you change your mind. It comes with a screw in lid that seals it.


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade
Reply With Quote
(#23)
Old
Duperstar Duperstar is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 214
Join Date: May 2012
Car: 2009 535i xdrive
Default 04-24-2013, 03:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ocean
You will not regret the ER choice. Perfect fit. Be sure to include a meth bung on the CP even if you don't plan on using meth. Resale value, and in case you change your mind. It comes with a screw in lid that seals it.
Will do. Did you go diverter valve or bov? I was thinking tial.


2009 535xi - JB4 G5 ISO -BMS Race Flash- BMS Intake - ER CP- Forge DVs- Active Autowerke intercooler- Gone

Activehybrid 3 - JB4 EWG/OBD- CTS Turbo Intake- VRSF CP- Bavsound Stage 1- current
Reply With Quote
(#24)
Old
dlp211 dlp211 is offline
Junior Member
 
Posts: 26
Join Date: Mar 2013
Car: '08 Alpine White 535i
Default 04-24-2013, 03:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duperstar
Will do. Did you go diverter valve or bov? I was thinking tial.
He went diverter and so did I. Like to keep things stealthy.
Reply With Quote
(#25)
Old
Ocean's Avatar
Ocean Ocean is offline
Legend
 
Posts: 1,407
Join Date: May 2011
Car: 2008 535i Sport
Send a message via Yahoo to Ocean
Default 04-24-2013, 03:56 PM

I stayed with stock DVs as I can always go Forge if need be.
But TIAL is a great choice. I'm just very much about staying as stealth as possible, so no weird pops while I am cruising around with the family on a week-end jaunt.

(Wife: "What was that? It sounded like the engine just blew up. Is it ok?" Me: "No honey, that's a blow off diverter valve I had installed after market to handle the additional boost caused by my various mods, including turbos with much larger fan blades and a pump that forces alcohol and water mixtures into the intake stream so boost can be more than doubled. Once the pressure in the modified intake ***** reached a certain level and I let off the gas pedal, they just did their job of releasing pressure into the atmosphere so all the new engine equipment isn't unduly stressed. So all is well, and you look great in your new sunglasses. How's your soft drink, chilled enough?" Back seat: "Dad, you just dusted a Corvette and the guy looks really angry. I need a bathroom!")


Sleeper 5 series
Performance: Pro tuned MHD, xHP Stage 3 TCU flash, DCI, AR kittens, ER FMIC & CP, Fuel-It Stage 2 LPFP w ported rail, RB turbos, RB inlets, KW V2, Mfactory LSD
Audio: Jehnert Flatline speakers, Mobridge M1000 DA2 digital preamp, Helix P-DSP, Zapco Z-150.6 amp, CIC iDrive upgrade
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com
Copyright 2007 - 2018, N54tech.com