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Default 01-10-2011, 08:56 AM

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I'm using the orange wire from the CMGS to drive an LED to let me know when I'm spraying. Is there any way I can setup meth integration and keep my meth light?
You have a CMGS and you use an LED to know when you're spraying? That makes no sense especially since the unit offers flow output on the gauge itself.


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I'm using the orange wire from the CMGS to drive an LED to let me know when I'm spraying. Is there any way I can setup meth integration and keep my meth light?
Get an LED that activates at .5v and you can use the same wire.


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Default 01-27-2011, 02:51 PM

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I'm using the orange wire from the CMGS to drive an LED to let me know when I'm spraying. Is there any way I can setup meth integration and keep my meth light?
I use an LED too since my CMGS is in the glove box and I like to have a small LED by the guages. Here's what I did:

Get a 12V LED from Fry's (or throw in the right resistor with a lower voltage one) and attach the + to always on source and the - to the negative wire going to the meth pump. CMGS modulates the negative wire to the pump so when the pump is on the LED will illuminate.
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Default 01-27-2011, 10:18 PM

Themyst, I have a VC2 in the glove box not a CMGS, I misspoke. (mistyped?)

Terry, if by some miracle of god I do find a .5V LED, could the orange wire really power the LED and provide an accurate signal to my JB4?

Hiofficer, I just soldered my resisters and will try it when I get back from the Rolex 24. Thanks for the lead!


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Default 01-27-2011, 11:29 PM

Well you could use the 4v output of the JB4 (DB9 pin 4) to trigger an LED. Then use the nitrous setup page which allows triggering based on meth flow. But isn't it easier to just look at the boost gauge? With progressive meth control boost will stay low when meth isn't flowing. Or worst case meth on oil gauge and then turn stealth mode on? Anyway you have options.


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Default 01-28-2011, 08:55 AM

I think too many options is the problem. The same reason I don't like subway sandwiches, it's not my job to tell you how to do your job, just make me a god damn sandwich and I'll eat it!

To be perfectly honest I'm waiting/hoping for timing on one gauge and AFR on the other with a meth light in between.
I haven't thought about just looking at boost while on map 3 though, that'll probably be my daily driving setup.


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Default 01-28-2011, 03:32 PM

So... it turns out that at some point I accidentally grounded the negative side of my LED. I think I pinched the negative wire during my first install. Now that I wired the LED across the pump the pump runs nonstop due to my new found ground. I'm not looking forward to pulling my dash apart again. It's a good thing I have a lot of free time these days.


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Default 02-01-2011, 06:26 PM

the cmgs allows you to select the min and max boost.

pardon the "dumb questions of the year" but

is this something that has to be done with the jb4?

what is the advantage of setting these parameters over using the cmgs to select min spray and full flow?
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the cmgs allows you to select the min and max boost.

pardon the "dumb questions of the year" but

is this something that has to be done with the jb4?

what is the advantage of setting these parameters over using the cmgs to select min spray and full flow?
The JB4 does not have any control over when meth sprays, it only reads the voltage signal from the CMGS and uses that to calculate meth flow for progressive mapping. The CMGS should be set up properly to determine when meth starts to spray and how much (dutycycle settings).
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Default 02-07-2011, 03:01 PM

So if I have a CM flow sensor and DONT have a CMGS or VC2.

-CM Flow sensor white wire to pin 15 on the JB4
-CM Flow sensor red wire to switched 12V
-CM Flow sensor black to chassis ground

With the above setup, I will be able to monitor meth flow via gauge hi jack on the oil temp gauge??

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Default 02-07-2011, 03:05 PM

Then it won't work. The JB4 only reads a 0-5v analog voltage signal while the CM flow sensor outputs a frequency signal and needs a controller box to read it. If you want to use just a stand along flow sensor you'll have to use the snow or labonte one.


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Default 02-07-2011, 04:22 PM

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Then it won't work. The JB4 only reads a 0-5v analog voltage signal while the CM flow sensor outputs a frequency signal and needs a controller box to read it. If you want to use just a stand along flow sensor you'll have to use the snow or labonte one.

Actually snow and labonte dont have a stand alone flow sensor. They took a flow sensor and integrated it into box with a circuit board to convert the signal. With us, you buy the progessive controller/failsafe/boost gauge all in one and add the flow sensor. with them you buy the failsafe/flow sensor and then need to buy the progressive controller seperate.

Moral? There are not really any stand alone 0-5V flow sensors in this industry because frequency costs less (alot less). Just want to make sure everyone is clear you are not just getting a flow sensor, but a sensor that integrated into a large box when you order one of those other products.



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Then it won't work. The JB4 only reads a 0-5v analog voltage signal while the CM flow sensor outputs a frequency signal and needs a controller box to read it. If you want to use just a stand along flow sensor you'll have to use the snow or labonte one.
Well looks like I either have a CM flow sensor for sale or I'll have to buy a CMGS/VC2.

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Actually snow and labonte dont have a stand alone flow sensor. They took a flow sensor and integrated it into box with a circuit board to convert the signal. With us, you buy the progessive controller/failsafe/boost gauge all in one and add the flow sensor. with them you buy the failsafe/flow sensor and then need to buy the progressive controller seperate.

Moral? There are not really any stand alone 0-5V flow sensors in this industry because frequency costs less (alot less). Just want to make sure everyone is clear you are not just getting a flow sensor, but a sensor that integrated into a large box when you order one of those other products.



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I see your point but either way. Someone has to buy a controller or a flow sensor regardless of where someone chooses to buy a kit. If they buy the CMGSVC2 from you guys, they have to buy the flow sensor also. If someone buys a fail safe from a different manufacture then they have to buy a controller to make it a complete kit.

Double edge sword if you ask me. I dont want to sound like a negative Nancy but I was just kinda hoping to be able to monitor my meth flow on my oil temp gauge without having to spend another $250.00.

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Default 02-08-2011, 06:18 AM

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Well looks like I either have a CM flow sensor for sale or I'll have to buy a CMGS/VC2.



I see your point but either way. Someone has to buy a controller or a flow sensor regardless of where someone chooses to buy a kit. If they buy the CMGSVC2 from you guys, they have to buy the flow sensor also. If someone buys a fail safe from a different manufacture then they have to buy a controller to make it a complete kit.

Double edge sword if you ask me. I dont want to sound like a negative Nancy but I was just kinda hoping to be able to monitor my meth flow on my oil temp gauge without having to spend another $250.00.

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any time you are talking about a true flow sensor you are talking about $$$$.

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Default 02-17-2011, 06:33 AM

For some reason my meth flow looks nothing like that.Its super low.At about the 5 range.Its flowing right as well.Any idea why it might be so low??
I know you cant see much but all the bars light up. so im guessing its flowing right.



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Heres the a video of the bars going full and heres my log.
idk why its so low??I wanna get the full use of my meth kit since i just bought it.Help!


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It is an issue that some of the CMGS/VC2 are having with analog output. The old way was just on/off, now it sends an analog signal.

Mine is the same way. I've been working to find a temporary solution, so far no success, though I have a few more things I'd like to try... had an employee quit on me a few weeks back and haven't found a replacement, so I'm working 6 days a week x 12 hour days. And the wife will throw a fit if I work on the car on Sundays when I don't get to see her any other days of the week.

For now I set the JB4 to work the old JB3 style with an on/off.


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It is an issue that some of the CMGS/VC2 are having with analog output. The old way was just on/off, now it sends an analog signal.

Mine is the same way. I've been working to find a temporary solution, so far no success, though I have a few more things I'd like to try... had an employee quit on me a few weeks back and haven't found a replacement, so I'm working 6 days a week x 12 hour days. And the wife will throw a fit if I work on the car on Sundays when I don't get to see her any other days of the week.

For now I set the JB4 to work the old JB3 style with an on/off.
So on and off meaning the failsafe turns off the meth if its not flowing right??how do i do that and also what map are u running??thanks


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Is there a way to turn meth off by switching maps? Let's say I want my meth on only with map 3 on the JB4 but, I want map 1 and 2 to be without meth for lighter driving and conserving my methanol. Do I have to turn off the meth through the vc2 or cmgs or is there a way to set it to come on only with specific maps?


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Is there a way to turn meth off by switching maps? Let's say I want my meth on only with map 3 on the JB4 but, I want map 1 and 2 to be without meth for lighter driving and conserving my methanol. Do I have to turn off the meth through the vc2 or cmgs or is there a way to set it to come on only with specific maps?
You would leave the JB4 on map 3 at all times. Then use the dials on the VC2 to disable meth.


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Jayock, the workaround for me was to get a 12v cig lighter adapter from radio shack.
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Terry since the labonte FS works off of a 0-5v signal that means when the jb4 detects a voltage higher then 2v it goes to full flow....how does that protect us from overflow such as a melted line or nozzle popping out?


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2v = the same mapping as 0v.


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2v = the same mapping as 0v.
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When the JB4 detects 2v it considers it overflow and reverts to failsafe mode. No one should have more than 2000ml/min of meth. If you do you probably popped a line off.


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When the JB4 detects 2v it considers it overflow and reverts to failsafe mode. No one should have more than 2000ml/min of meth. If you do you probably popped a line off.
. Entering a value of 1 under "meth flow max" will revert to JB3 logic where voltages higher than 2v will add the full boost additive.



This is what confuses me^


Does the Jb4 need a 2v signal to make meth flow fully?.


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