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Raise fuel bias to 65 and raise duty cycle by another +10 across the board and raise FF by 10. Log is looking good though.
Boost 2 is intake manifold boost.
When you say raise duty cycle, are you referring to duty bias? Should I disable FF adaptation? I also have bit5 - Test Duty Bias Learning Algorithm enabled.


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Installed the 3.5bar sensor today. Running Map 6 with flat boost setting at 23psi. Pulls hard as hell. Trims are pretty high from 3000 to 4500rpm. Should I increase the PI fuel bias? Also, does anyone know what "Boost2" is?
what's ur PID gain?

boost way of target.
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Default 08-22-2018, 11:26 AM

Good luck getting this dialed in. I tried for a month to dial in a jb4 with my speedtech set up and I just could not do it. I kept getting large control function fluctuations where I would overboost by 5-6 PSI then under then oscillate. Every now and again I would get a clean run. I ran JB4 for years on 3 cars but with the larger turbo and stock actuator I just could not get it right. I am MHD only now and controls boost perfectly. Ironically I had better timing with the JB4. I wanted to stay for all the features but I would break loose tires in 4th because spikes. I hope you and the other speedtech guys can get the jb4 working. I am PWG so that may make it worse.


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Default 08-22-2018, 11:28 AM

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what's ur PID gain?

boost way of target.
I set it to 8. Seems to spool much quicker.


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I hope I am reading this wrong, but the spool looks super slow? I am used to WGDC/PWM being maxed during spool. Why does yours start so slow? At WOT this should be in spool mode calling for max WGDC until tip then dropping? My 7670 is at 20+ about 3K. This should be maybe 2-300 rpm off that.


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I hope I am reading this wrong, but the spool looks super slow? I am used to WGDC/PWM being maxed during spool. Why does yours start so slow? At WOT this should be in spool mode calling for max WGDC until tip then dropping? My 7670 is at 20+ about 3K. This should be maybe 2-300 rpm off that.
I'm still dialing in all the settings. This is really only my first day logging. But When I set PID gain to 10 the car felt more sluggish. WGDC was pretty weird in this log.


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I'll give my 2 cents, as I've run pretty much all available control configs: PWG, EWG, stock flash, JB4 only, Flash only, Flash + JB4.

First, this is not a dig on JB4 at all, great product, one of the best bang for your bucks out there for most setups. For me, when running flash + JB4 on our EWG car, I had to use a flash tune to get it near my end boost target, then use JB4 for fairly small on-the-fly boost target updates. And it worked great for that. For example, when running a 25psi config, I would first get my flash tune working solid at 20psi, then use JB4 to run another 5psi on top of it. There were times though that it seemed either the DME or JB4 had adapted away from eachother, and I would have to either reset adapt/reflash, or change JB4 settings.

I think the biggest contributor to it is the fact the EFR turbo is bigger in all aspects, including the wastegate port diameter. So, given the same wastegate actuator displacement, you can see larger flow changes on the bigger/more badass EFR. So the PID control can be slightly more touchy with two control systems.

My last couple cars with internally gated EFR's I have used flash only, and haven't had any issues. I sent one of my PWG flash tunes over to jturboawd and it seemed to be working pretty well for him also. Just my experiences....
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Default 08-22-2018, 01:21 PM

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When you say raise duty cycle, are you referring to duty bias? Should I disable FF adaptation? I also have bit5 - Test Duty Bias Learning Algorithm enabled.
Yes sorry! Duty bias. Leave FF adaptation, I can tune with it on.


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I set it to 8. Seems to spool much quicker.
low, try 15, then log and see if boost is better on target
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I'll give my 2 cents, as I've run pretty much all available control configs: PWG, EWG, stock flash, JB4 only, Flash only, Flash + JB4.

First, this is not a dig on JB4 at all, great product, one of the best bang for your bucks out there for most setups. For me, when running flash + JB4 on our EWG car, I had to use a flash tune to get it near my end boost target, then use JB4 for fairly small on-the-fly boost target updates. And it worked great for that. For example, when running a 25psi config, I would first get my flash tune working solid at 20psi, then use JB4 to run another 5psi on top of it. There were times though that it seemed either the DME or JB4 had adapted away from eachother, and I would have to either reset adapt/reflash, or change JB4 settings.

I think the biggest contributor to it is the fact the EFR turbo is bigger in all aspects, including the wastegate port diameter. So, given the same wastegate actuator displacement, you can see larger flow changes on the bigger/more badass EFR. So the PID control can be slightly more touchy with two control systems.

My last couple cars with internally gated EFR's I have used flash only, and haven't had any issues. I sent one of my PWG flash tunes over to jturboawd and it seemed to be working pretty well for him also. Just my experiences....
If I didn't need PI and have it already, my preference is flash only. My last car ran flawless at 28psi flash only. That being said, what base flash would you use? I don't think the JB4 BEF for MHD will work standalone. I also don't EVER want to change the EWG harness plug again lol.

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Yes sorry! Duty bias. Leave FF adaptation, I can tune with it on.
Thank you. I'll do that tonight.

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low, try 15, then log and see if boost is better on target
What is the cause and effect of PID gain? If I understand how it functions, I will be able to make adjustments better.


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Default 08-22-2018, 05:01 PM

PID gain is the the P factor of the PID control loop, where I and D are also scaled on the P value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller


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So I finally fixed it. I didn't end up needing a longer rod. Turns out, key-off the wastegate flapper is only like 3-4mm open. I started with key-on voltage around 3.9v. At one point I got it down to 1.4v. So I shortened it some more and it jumped back to 3v key-on and the wastegate never even opened. It's amazing how sensitive this thing it.

So I've been running map 7 on E50 for now and all I can say is this thing RIPS! Once I get my new Rev3 installed I'll start doing some real tuning at higher boost.
Congrats on finally figuring this out! If I'm reading this correctly, your EWG flapper was never closing 100%? It was always a little bit open?

I think my M2 (EWG) might need a WG adjustment for my Pure Stage 2 turbo. I'm hitting targetting 22 PSI right now but I'm falling short of target near red-line. My boost leak test shows no leaks as well. So I'm left to think it might be the WG flapper being slightly too long even though I don't have a code being thrown.

Which way did you move the nuts to get the WG to tighten? Toward the front of the car, or toward the rear?


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Congrats on finally figuring this out! If I'm reading this correctly, your EWG flapper was never closing 100%? It was always a little bit open?

I think my M2 (EWG) might need a WG adjustment for my Pure Stage 2 turbo. I'm hitting targetting 22 PSI right now but I'm falling short of target near red-line. My boost leak test shows no leaks as well. So I'm left to think it might be the WG flapper being slightly too long even though I don't have a code being thrown.

Which way did you move the nuts to get the WG to tighten? Toward the front of the car, or toward the rear?
if any wrong with ur EWG install u will see drivetrain on screen and no boost, u r hitting 22psi and hold boost so there's no problem, maybe the turbo it self can't hold boost to redline.
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Congrats on finally figuring this out! If I'm reading this correctly, your EWG flapper was never closing 100%? It was always a little bit open?

I think my M2 (EWG) might need a WG adjustment for my Pure Stage 2 turbo. I'm hitting targetting 22 PSI right now but I'm falling short of target near red-line. My boost leak test shows no leaks as well. So I'm left to think it might be the WG flapper being slightly too long even though I don't have a code being thrown.

Which way did you move the nuts to get the WG to tighten? Toward the front of the car, or toward the rear?
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if any wrong with ur EWG install u will see drivetrain on screen and no boost, u r hitting 22psi and hold boost so there's no problem, maybe the turbo it self can't hold boost to redline.
I wouldn't touch the flapper, you're just asking for trouble. It's most likely a "boost taper" in the tune.


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Ironically I had better timing with the JB4.
I had the same experience. Even with the MHD BEF timing wasn't as clean as JB4 only or JB4 with a Cobb BEF. I wish I knew why this was though.


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Yes sorry! Duty bias. Leave FF adaptation, I can tune with it on.
I did a whole bunch of pulls last night. Attached is a 2-3-4 gear pull. Car pulls like a freight train. Map 6 is set to 25psi, flat boost. Trims are pegging during spool and WGDC never drops.
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Here's another log showing spool up in 4th. Slow to spool and WGDC just stays up.
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I forgot to mention fuel is E60.


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Raise duty bias up another +10 across the board, everything else looks okay though.
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Raise duty bias up another +10 across the board, everything else looks okay though.
Iíll give that a shot for tomorrow.


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Car feels a little more sluggish today overall. And I got throttle closures today on both logs. Trims are still maxing out during spool so I need to fix that. And I think I might have a leak somewhere. Can anyone tell me why WGDC never drops?
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PID gain is the the P factor of the PID control loop, where I and D are also scaled on the P value.

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Terry, do you think PID gain should be higher for my application?


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Hmm well i'm no expert like terry, but i can tell you when i had a boost leak after installing my charge pipe, the logs looked like these.

Not hitting my target PSI and WGDC is pined at 100%.


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Hmm well i'm no expert like terry, but i can tell you when i had a boost leak after installing my charge pipe, the logs looked like these.

Not hitting my target PSI and WGDC is pined at 100%.
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I'm going to have to test it.
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