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Default 06-16-2014, 12:22 PM

you've confirmed my plans to sell my '11 E92 M3 and pick up a '16 F82 knowing where we're starting.....
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Default 06-16-2014, 12:46 PM

Well today's the start of many more updates!


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Default 06-16-2014, 01:28 PM

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Are those dyno sheets reporting crank HP or wheel? I'm kind of surprised the car is pushing the advertised crank HP at the wheels.

Stock E9x M3s (advertised at 414 crank HP) dyno from 330 to 350. FBOs with stage 2 tunes run in the 370s to 390s. This suggests a stock F8x M3 is putting out 50 HP more than a FBO E9x.
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That is exactly what I was wondering.
Same here, these numbers seem way too high. I feel like this dyno is being overly generous since 427whp is ~500bhp assuming a 15% drivetrain loss.


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Default 06-16-2014, 01:29 PM

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Disappointed 20psi on this "higher flowing" motor, with 8+ degrees of advance, produces so much less than say RB or Vargas hybrid turbos. But it is what it is. Hitting ~480rw tuned cheered me up a bit.
It may be disappointing but you have to think, you're still on stock *********, chargepipe, filters, etc... So the fact that you're pushing those numbers completely through the stock exhaust (DP's) is quite impressive actually. Open that thing up on the exact same setup with high flowing filters and some ********* and see what the gains are!
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Default 06-16-2014, 01:39 PM

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Same here, these numbers seem way too high. I feel like this dyno is being overly generous since 427whp is ~500bhp assuming a 15% drivetrain loss.

The are the wheel-horsepower numbers. My M235i produced 10whp less than the advertised horsepower on a Dynojet as well, so I think BMW is underrating their newer cars. Not to mention this was on crappy 91 octane, so if I was running 93 octane, I'd probably be close, if not, on the spot.


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Default 06-16-2014, 01:44 PM

Great numbers T!! I got rid of my 335 a while back, but you guys thinking the dyno is generous must remember that when the n54 1st came out, they said it put down 300 hp crank. Many people had stock dyno ' s of anywhere from 270-300 whp. Bmw under rates many of their engines. Especially the FI ones.


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Default 06-16-2014, 01:48 PM

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The are the wheel-horsepower numbers. My M235i produced 10whp less than the advertised horsepower on a Dynojet as well, so I think BMW is underrating their newer cars. Not to mention this was on crappy 91 octane, so if I was running 93 octane, I'd probably be close, if not, on the spot.
I understand that BMW underrates their cars but that's a huge margin.


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Default 06-16-2014, 01:53 PM

Now what does she do 60 to 130?????


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The are the wheel-horsepower numbers. My M235i produced 10whp less than the advertised horsepower on a Dynojet as well, so I think BMW is underrating their newer cars. Not to mention this was on crappy 91 octane, so if I was running 93 octane, I'd probably be close, if not, on the spot.
My m135i was dynoed 279 whp stock with catback. Thats on a european dyno. I think dynojet just reads a bit too high. Anyways dynos are only good for comparing gains before and after a mod.


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Default 06-16-2014, 02:03 PM

show us vbox numbers before and after the tune, can u hit 26psi on pump gas 93 or 24psi is the limit?
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Default 06-16-2014, 02:22 PM

First F80 M3 dyno's in new S55 dyno database:

http://www.s55dynos.com
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Default 06-16-2014, 02:23 PM

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First F80 M3 dyno's in new S55 dyno database:

http://www.s55dynos.com
Our M3 is a DCT, but nice!


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Default 06-16-2014, 02:25 PM

Terry how is the ECU compared to the f10 m5s I have are they those same crazy encrypted bosch ones or do you think these will be easier to take advantage of?
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Default 06-16-2014, 02:29 PM

Quick, get some 60 to 130 numbers then get to the 1/4 mi so you can own the 2015 M3 world records too!

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Our M3 is a DCT, but nice!
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Default 06-16-2014, 03:33 PM

Even tho I have moved on to an M3, still repping ya T! Fond memories of my 135i.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...1#post16136041

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Default 06-16-2014, 04:04 PM

Why do people not believe terry? After all the successful research and piggy backs made people still think its false Dyno #s


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Default 06-16-2014, 04:14 PM

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Terry how is the ECU compared to the f10 m5s I have are they those same crazy encrypted bosch ones or do you think these will be easier to take advantage of?
We're in the piggyback business and I'm glad we are. No one has hacked any of the F series DME's as far as I know...


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Default 06-16-2014, 04:16 PM

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It may be disappointing but you have to think, you're still on stock *********, chargepipe, filters, etc... So the fact that you're pushing those numbers completely through the stock exhaust (DP's) is quite impressive actually. Open that thing up on the exact same setup with high flowing filters and some ********* and see what the gains are!
Given the boost, CR, air/water IC, head design, free flowing intake & cats, etc, it feels like it should be making more. But it is what it is and there may be more potential in there hiding somewhere. The intake looks solid so I doubt there are any gains to be had there but we'll certainly test it.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm OK with 480whp with a mild alpha tune...


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Even tho I have moved on to an M3, still repping ya T! Fond memories of my 135i.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...1#post16136041

Now let's see how long this thread will take to get locked or deleted.
Nice to see the e90post crowd is still entertaining!

Funny no one is asking about the compression ratio, combustion chamber design (which has a major influence on the timing curve), boost pressure, what other record holding N55 motors that are sitting in my garage produce given similar boost pressures, etc.

The tuning is just a rough draft. I'm confident we'll hit 500whp 100% stock with E85 or worst case some race gas mixed in. But if this car is 3600# stock + 185# driver we're looking at 7.5#/hp. That will pull on a stock M5 but won't keep up with a similarly tuned one.


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Default 06-16-2014, 04:38 PM

Bmw under rates vehicles for insurance purposes.


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Default 06-16-2014, 04:57 PM

Terry,this might be to early to ask but what car do you favor more the m3 or the m5 and why?
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Terry,this might be to early to ask but what car do you favor more the m3 or the m5 and why?
The M3 is a lot like a pocket M5 and I much prefer its smaller size. The M5 is too large for me. I also prefer the styling of the M3. But the M5 is all around a much nicer, more refined, and faster vehicle. If I'm being honest with myself there really is no comparison. If you can only have one and don't mind the size and cost the M5 is the way to go. And if you plan to lease sadly the M3 residual is such that it's not really much cheaper than the M5. Maybe $100/mo assuming similar packages.

Once we get the M3 tuned up we'll have to get some runway videos against a similarly modded M5 for comparison.


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What's the lease run on this?
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Default 06-16-2014, 05:26 PM

With bolt ons and stage 1 prolly 500whp on pump gas .. Wow


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