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Default 06-17-2021, 09:59 PM

Ethanol is addictive! I even run E20 on my Audi Q5. It runs so smooth.
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Default 06-17-2021, 10:00 PM

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That is an assumption that I drive my car hard regularly. Actually I don't, I drive it at normal speeds. The advantage of ethanol blends is much more ignition advance; Throttle input is much more snappy out of Sport Mode. I can easily get wheel spin with Sport Mode enabled without much throttle input.

I live in the middle of the San Fernando Valley, 1.3 Million people. E85 just became more widely available here so I am taking advantage of it. I do Postmates/Ubereats with E20 because driving the car on 91 is a turd.

Most power I made on 91 is 216 whp (Map 2), Map 3 made the same.

With E40 (E20 would more or less give the same results) made 222 whp on Map 1, 227 whp on Map 2 and 240 whp on Map 3

Like I said the car is faster than stock with Map 2 but it's much faster than Map 2 with Ethanol in the tank and even faster in Map 3. I run Map 2 just because I don't run boost often because fuel economy is more important.

Special Occasions? I drag race my car regularly.
Dude. I made zero assumptions about anything you do. I posted asking for a log check. I stated I don't want to use e85 blends. That's literally all I'm asking for. You asked why not e85. I told you why I'm not interested based on my circumstances and preferences. My Stinger is damn fast without it. I don't need a debate about e85. I need people more experienced than me to weigh in on my logs.

I'm trying to learn about logs, but don't feel confident enough yet to go by my own analysis alone.


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Default 06-17-2021, 10:06 PM

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Ethanol is addictive! I even run E20 on my Audi Q5. It runs so smooth.
Yep as I've said, modern pump fuel is not well suited for today's forced inducted production cars. When the car freely makes more power on better fuel you see how conservative the cars are tuned from factory because of relatively poor pump fuel.

This is something Flash tuning can't really take advantage of, it's usually a compromise between running pump fuel or an ethanol blend. With closed loop fuel control via wide band 02 sensors, the car adjust automatically to fuel quality.

That's why when I added a total of +6 boost the car made no more power on 91.

But with a few gallons of ethanol, I get 10 degrees of timing instead of 4-5 degrees and the extra boost is rewarded with more power.

In recent track testing I found Sunoco GT-260+ is pretty close in performance to E20-E30, but it cost $81 for 5 gallons. In fact it could be a little better than blends.

Now that should be saved for track days.


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Default 06-17-2021, 10:09 PM

Racing Fuels: E85 vs MS103 Dyno Champ - YouTube


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Default 06-17-2021, 10:20 PM

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9 times out of 10 anything under Map 3 on pump gas will be fine. There is some variation with the quality of gasoline for lots of reasons. That will cause more timing corrections than other reasons.

Now why would you not what to try an ethanol blend? You can run E20 and you'll get 97% of the benefits of full E85 without the drop in fuel economy usually about 1% loss.

The main benefit is at least a 30 hp increase and much more ignition advance which makes the car faster and more fun to drive.
Quick question.. Did you look at my logs and they look OK? Or are are you just generalizing that usually pump is fine under Map 3? Just curious because I want help analyzing my logs to better understand them


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Default 06-17-2021, 10:35 PM

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Quick question.. Did you look at my logs and they look OK? Or are are you just generalizing that usually pump is fine under Map 3? Just curious because I want help analyzing my logs to better understand them
Of course I looked at it... I am not making assumptions.

All factory turbocharged cars run better with a little ethanol in the tank for loads of reasons a few being cooler burning which is a benefit to directed injected engines as it cools the combustion process. The released oxygen from the burning of the fuel is how cars make more power without adding more boost.

Only negative is you get less economy, only slightly with E20. It's cheaper than premium fuel, I save about $3 per tank. Not a ton of savings but there are some.

Not sure why some people are so hostile to my suggestion. I am not the only one that says that, Terry would echo what I am saying if you have access to E85, you would be foolish not to try it.

You're making an assumption you don't need it. You didn't need a Stinger either you could have bought a regular Elantra SE or something.

Before you assume there no stations around you should use the locator - Alternative Fuels Data Center: Alternative Fueling Station Locator

As I said if you drive like a sane person (out of boost) the snappier throttle response will replace the need to get into boost to get the car moving if you know what I mean.

When you push the pedal down there's more to be had... You got about max timing you can get with 93 octane and it's so-so when compared to ethanol blends.

Water methanol injection is an improvement, but Ethanol is free to try and I still made more power.

Watch the whole series of videos of the link I posted, you'll see E85 beats all race gases. As I mentioned Sunoco GT 260+ is close or maybe better because it's 15% Ethanol blended with 100 octane unleaded.

But at the cost of $16.20 a gallon that is too expensive to use regularly obviously.


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Default 06-18-2021, 05:58 AM

Timing corrections are there.. You can run it like that but your are losing some power with timing retard. Its fine as is but there is more to be had if you want it either by higher octane (E85 mix, race fuel, or octane booster). Post a Map 1 log so we can compare
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Default 06-18-2021, 06:59 AM

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Timing corrections are there.. You can run it like that but your are losing some power with timing retard. Its fine as is but there is more to be had if you want it either by higher octane (E85 mix, race fuel, or octane booster). Post a Map 1 log so we can compare
Much appreciated Jaybone. I'll try and get a Map 1 log tomorrow the next time I leave the city (hard to do a log run in stop and go Chicago traffic )


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Default 06-18-2021, 07:20 AM

I daily drive maintaining about 5-6 gallons of E85 in the tank. I was leery at first, but once I did it the first time, never looked back. It is truly a bang for your buck since I have yet to see where E85 is more expensive than 93 octane. I don't floor it regularly, but it's good to know everything is available when necessary. Bone stock the car is fast enough, so if you've tuned, you either want to maximize your performance or you just want to be one of the cool kids with cool parts and get an extra decal to hang crooked. And if you are worried about reliability, I'm near 75000 miles on my '19 GT2 and it's been tuned since I hit 2 or 3000. Switched from Boostane Pro to E85 around 30000 miles.
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Default 06-18-2021, 07:43 AM

Here goes again - two pulls from ~40 to ~100+ this morning. Shell 93 octane. Looking for feedback on timing and boost levels, or anything else that looks wonky please - and if you don't mind giving the JB4 for Dummies explanation of what numbers I should be looking for I'd appreciate it...
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Default 06-18-2021, 08:02 AM

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Here goes again - two pulls from ~40 to ~100+ this morning. Shell 93 octane. Looking for feedback on timing and boost levels, or anything else that looks wonky please - and if you don't mind giving the JB4 for Dummies explanation of what numbers I should be looking for I'd appreciate it...

What plugs and the gap? You have some bad timing. Can you try a map 1 pull to compare?
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Default 06-18-2021, 08:47 AM

So I recently swapped out my stock Coils for MSD Performance Coils as well as swapping out my SXTH SRI for a Afe Takeda Stage 2 intake. Noticed that the E85 gauge on the app usually reads around 30-40 but after the swap it's sitting around low 20s. I know I have an E30 blend so I'm wondering why all of the sudden it would change.

Would changing these parts out have any effect or do I just need to add more E85 next fill up?


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Default 06-18-2021, 09:06 AM

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What plugs and the gap? You have some bad timing. Can you try a map 1 pull to compare?
I have the recommended Denso plugs bought from BMS, I told the shop installing them to gap them to 0.022" but they could've messed it up. Just wanted to confirm the timing's still bad before dealing with the plugs. I'll do a map 1 log in a little bit.


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Default 06-18-2021, 10:45 AM

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I have the recommended Denso plugs bought from BMS, I told the shop installing them to gap them to 0.022" but they could've messed it up. Just wanted to confirm the timing's still bad before dealing with the plugs. I'll do a map 1 log in a little bit.
You could spot check the driver's side easily, to get an idea of what you are dealing with...
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Default 06-18-2021, 11:01 AM

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So I recently swapped out my stock Coils for MSD Performance Coils as well as swapping out my SXTH SRI for a Afe Takeda Stage 2 intake. Noticed that the E85 gauge on the app usually reads around 30-40 but after the swap it's sitting around low 20s. I know I have an E30 blend so I'm wondering why all of the sudden it would change.

Would changing these parts out have any effect or do I just need to add more E85 next fill up?
I will assume you are using the virtual E85 gauge?

If so you have to explain to me how changing a couple of parts would cause it read lower?

I don't know what goes into the calculation but it's doubtful those changes would impact exactly how much E is blended.


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Default 06-18-2021, 11:29 AM

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I will assume you are using the virtual E85 gauge?

If so you have to explain to me how changing a couple of parts would cause it read lower?

I don't know what goes into the calculation but it's doubtful those changes would impact exactly how much E is blended.

Thinking the same thing virtual sensor. I have the fuel it sensor I should of checked to see how accurate it is before adding the fuel it kit. Be interesting to see how accurate it is compared to the actual kit
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Default 06-18-2021, 11:32 AM

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So I recently swapped out my stock Coils for MSD Performance Coils as well as swapping out my SXTH SRI for a Afe Takeda Stage 2 intake. Noticed that the E85 gauge on the app usually reads around 30-40 but after the swap it's sitting around low 20s. I know I have an E30 blend so I'm wondering why all of the sudden it would change.

Would changing these parts out have any effect or do I just need to add more E85 next fill up?

Could always buy the flex fuel it sensor its a nice addition to have
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Default 06-18-2021, 12:23 PM

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What plugs and the gap? You have some bad timing. Can you try a map 1 pull to compare?
Here are three pulls in map 1. Appreciate you taking the time to look.
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Default 06-18-2021, 01:03 PM

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I will assume you are using the virtual E85 gauge?

If so you have to explain to me how changing a couple of parts would cause it read lower?

I don't know what goes into the calculation but it's doubtful those changes would impact exactly how much E is blended.
Well that's the question I'm having. I use the in app gauge and it has been giving me just a very low reading as of late and i haven't changed anything in the amount of e85 i use when blending so i am just trying to narrow things down.


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Default 06-18-2021, 01:04 PM

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Here are three pulls in map 1. Appreciate you taking the time to look.

No problem, its better but still timing issues... I would disconnect the negative on the battery terminal wait 5 min and start fresh. And then relog a map 1 and 2
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Default 06-18-2021, 01:06 PM

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Well that's the question I'm having. I use the in app gauge and it has been giving me just a very low reading as of late and i haven't changed anything in the amount of e85 i use when blending so i am just trying to narrow things down.


Not sure how accurate the virtual is since I have the actual fuel it kit. Sorry not sure on that one. You can always wait for a response on here and see if someone has any ideas or email bms directly to their support email. Just keep in mind E85 blends change. 1 station next to me is E50 another is 72.

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Default Log help - 06-18-2021, 09:47 PM

Hey any help looking at my logs? This is on map 3.
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want to move onto CPI but the car feels sluggish after new intercooler and piping.
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Default 06-19-2021, 11:04 AM

Boost looks fine.. I’m not good and reading raw timing switch to FUA to 0 for timing corrections it’s easier to read.
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Default CEL 061B Running Map 0 3.3T - 06-20-2021, 04:11 PM

I installed my JB4, intakes, OCC and plugs last weekend (450hp) kit, running 91 octane and just got this 061B code this morning. My first logs from last week were adjusting too much timing on map1 (I was thinking bad gas after talking with a few others on stinger forum).

I have been running in map 0 since Tuesday (6/15 while I ran through the tank). I filled up at 1/3 tank remaining of presumed "bad" gas with 91 top tier gas on Friday (6/18) and took the car out to my in-laws 90 miles away. I was leaving it in map 0 until I had a chance to run through more gas and verify logs.

It seemed to be running fine on map0. Still timing corrections up to 4.5 or so at times, but felt normal. On the way home this morning I had the engine shut off after moderate acceleration from a stop on a turn (merging up to 50) less than 3 miles from home. I turned it back on and then almost immediately it went into limp mode and code 061B came up.

I was able to baby it home without giving much throttle or stopping. But it was shifting pretty rough and idling poorly.

Based on this thread, there was a known issue last year with the mobile app but I am on App Build A347 and Firmware 21/22//5. Do you have any ideas on what I should check?

Other notables, it was raining pretty hard for most of the drive today of the 90 miles. Ambient temp is around 60*. I had some hard acceleration along the drive to pass a few cars, but generally did not beat on it. I was in Eco mode for the entire trip. After the car stalled, the shifts were really rough (which seems consistent with the other instances of this fault on here.

Here is my latest log from Friday on map0 before refilling fuel:
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Default 06-20-2021, 04:52 PM

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I installed my JB4, intakes, OCC and plugs last weekend (450hp) kit, running 91 octane and just got this 061B code this morning. My first logs from last week were adjusting too much timing on map1 (I was thinking bad gas after talking with a few others on stinger forum).

I have been running in map 0 since Tuesday (6/15 while I ran through the tank). I filled up at 1/3 tank remaining of presumed "bad" gas with 91 top tier gas on Friday (6/18) and took the car out to my in-laws 90 miles away. I was leaving it in map 0 until I had a chance to run through more gas and verify logs.

It seemed to be running fine on map0. Still timing corrections up to 4.5 or so at times, but felt normal. On the way home this morning I had the engine shut off after moderate acceleration from a stop on a turn (merging up to 50) less than 3 miles from home. I turned it back on and then almost immediately it went into limp mode and code 061B came up.

I was able to baby it home without giving much throttle or stopping. But it was shifting pretty rough and idling poorly.

Based on this thread, there was a known issue last year with the mobile app but I am on App Build A347 and Firmware 21/22//5. Do you have any ideas on what I should check?

Other notables, it was raining pretty hard for most of the drive today of the 90 miles. Ambient temp is around 60*. I had some hard acceleration along the drive to pass a few cars, but generally did not beat on it. I was in Eco mode for the entire trip. After the car stalled, the shifts were really rough (which seems consistent with the other instances of this fault on here.

Here is my latest log from Friday on map0 before refilling fuel:

What does the code say is the issue? What are your plugs gapped at?
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