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Default 04-05-2021, 08:55 AM

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I updated to v23 firmware and my ethanol sensor reading went to 0 afterwards. I was getting good reading before using firmware v15. Did I miss something in the release notes?
What spot on the harness is it plugged in to? You have to select the WMI page option to enable it.


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Default 04-05-2021, 04:15 PM

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The AFR reading reports lean during shifts because fuel is momentarily cutoff by the ECU. So AFR goes to infinity.

If you were going to map0 at that moment you'd see target drop (and the map logging parameter change to 0). Doesn't appear to be the case in your photo. Next time you have a combined log that goes to map0 post it and I can scroll along to see what it happened.

Timing corrections give you insight in to how the boost profile is working for the octane and current conditions. In a simple format if they are higher than you want then you need less boost and/or higher octane. Of course ambient temperatures, bolt on mods, vehicle load, etc, all play a role as well.
I took the car out for a quick drive today and got a log where it dropped from map 2 to map 0. Last safety code is 2 again. This is on the latest stable firmware. I wanted to see if that would make a difference compared to the latest beta, but it at least didn't seem to change this particular issue.

I did one run from a stop without major issues, one other brief WOT period without major issues, and then another attempted run from a low speed. Something went wrong right around that 1st-2nd shift, both from a subjective and objective standpoint.

In this case, the map immediately dropped to 0, and boost cut out from then on. Logs should reflect that, and I saw it on the app realtime as well.

When this has happened before on map 3 (and beta FW), only sometimes would it exhibit this behavior. Most often, it would flip to map 0 after a run, and without cutting out boost as well. A couple times it acted like this log shows almost exactly. Either way, similar situation...seemed to only happen if there was a 1-2 shift, and the last safety code would be 2.

Hopefully this helps, or gets us going in an actionable direction? Let me know if I'm doing anything wrong or you need anything else. Thanks!
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Hopefully this helps, or gets us going in an actionable direction? Let me know if I'm doing anything wrong or you need anything else. Thanks!
I think the safety was just overly sensitive in this situation. You rolled in to the rev limiter so the ECU cut fuel longer than expected during a normal shift.

I just posted an v23_t7 update in the alpha channel you can load and log/test.
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Default 04-06-2021, 07:45 PM

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Have the new wire harnesses for the 2.5T’s? I have a Sonata N-Line that I want to use my JB4 on.

The sonata n-line, Kia K5 GT, new base stingers and g70s all have this same new power plant with different map and TMAP connectors. Fuel connection looks to be the same.
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Have the new wire harnesses for the 2.5Tís? I have a Sonata N-Line that I want to use my JB4 on.

The sonata n-line, Kia K5 GT, new base stingers and g70s all have this same new power plant with different map and TMAP connectors. Fuel connection looks to be the same.
The 3.5T uses those connectors also. We have the correct male connector, and we have female connectors that are not ideal but workable. Now just need to track down a local 2.5T or 3.5T to confirm a few things before moving to production.

If anyone local to us has one and wants a free JB4 for letting us use the car for a couple hours email me terry@burgertuning.com.


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Default 04-06-2021, 08:56 PM

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I think the safety was just overly sensitive in this situation. You rolled in to the rev limiter so the ECU cut fuel longer than expected during a normal shift.

I just posted an v23_t7 update in the alpha channel you can load and log/test.
Awesome, thanks so much! No issues so far after install, at least not like I was having. Side note, my app reports it's the T5 beta firmware, but I definitely installed T7.

First attached log is probably the most useful. Other two were from driving around for errands, a couple runs here and there.

Anything look concerning or out of the ordinary?
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Where are you located? I’ll put it out.
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Default 04-07-2021, 12:06 PM

Cali. If I were out that way I’d def help out. I’ll hit the groups up and see if anybody them want to help out. I think one of the guys are out there but he’s a lap 3 guy. Lol.
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Where are you located? Iíll put it out.
CA. Have someone who can come out in a week or two it looks like. If anyone can come sooner email me.


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Default 04-07-2021, 06:49 PM

Hey Terry,

Looking to get a log check for a friends 2020 G70 3.3 on map 1 running PetroCan 94. These are the first logs after installing JB4, plugs, fuel wires, AEM drop ins and VT snorkels. Just want to make sure things look ok before we log map 2.

Thanks, Andy
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Default 04-07-2021, 10:17 PM

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What spot on the harness is it plugged in to? You have to select the WMI page option to enable it.
I have it in spot 16 I believe. It was enabled and working prior to the update.
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Default 04-08-2021, 06:37 AM

That’s great news. I’ll ping folks. I really am curious as to what the JB4 will do on this 2.5T platform. I want to go get it dyno’d once I have it up. I modified the intake, switched the BOV to atmosphere, and modified my old exhaust I had which goes 3” from stock 2.5” with CP-E mid pipe w/high flow ***, CP-E Austentine ***-back exhaust.

I have some colder plugs already and running it on 93 octane.

Stock it’s listed as 290bhp on standard pump so I figure it’s 300bhp on the 93 and maybe with the slight mods I have right bow maybe just under 300whp.

So interested to see how much whp abs torque gained running various maps on just 93 octane for now.

This new engine is GDI/MPI and I think Hyundai was conservative with their numbers for HP/Tq.
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I did a Map 3 Pull just on 93, curious to see how it runs without E30.
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I have it in spot 16 I believe. It was enabled and working prior to the update.
Play around with the WMI page bit settings until you get it enabled/working.


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I did a Map 3 Pull just on 93, curious to see how it runs without E30.
Set FUA = 0 so its monitoring timing drops not raw timing. Seems OK though.


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Play around with the WMI page bit settings until you get it enabled/working.
Sure, I can do that, but it was working before the firmware update and I didn't change any settings. Is it possible that the pin mappings changed. Also, a clue that maybe there was is a switcheroo in the firmware... the methanol field in the JB4 log is showing a reading suspiciously similar to the readings I used to get in my E85 field. It was reading 9-10 on pump gas, then I tried adding a couple gallons of E85 to what I had in the tank (3/4 full) and the methanol reading jumped up to 18-19.
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I just received my JB4 tuner and I can't find anything that's not almost 3 years old for installing it. Can someone point me in the right direction here?
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I just received my JB4 tuner and I can't find anything that's not almost 3 years old for installing it. Can someone point me in the right direction here?
Has the Stinger changed that much over time, it says your driving a 2018? There are people installing them without issue in 2020 and 2021 models.

The directions in the pdf are updated regularly.
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Play around with the WMI page bit settings until you get it enabled/working.
I got the gauge to show a reading again by disabled the DTML flex fuel input bit. Not sure what that bit does exactly. I'm going in to get dyno'd this Thursday though so any guidance on those settings in the new firmware would be much appreciated.
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So had some settings done for my Elantra Sport so I had better results with Map 3 and using an E30, but if I wanted to switch to just straight 91 and octane booster, would the AFR settings that I set work or would I need to get some new logs and change those settings?
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How is the compatibility between the JB4 and the ultimate performance dwnpipe and midpipes? Is it still over boosting or can we run them safely now without overboost issues?

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So had some settings done for my Elantra Sport so I had better results with Map 3 and using an E30, but if I wanted to switch to just straight 91 and octane booster, would the AFR settings that I set work or would I need to get some new logs and change those settings?
Why on earth would you switch to octane booster? Get the water methanol system.

Yes you log any change you make like fuel quality.

As it stands right now I am within 9 whp of my E40 power numbers (236whp) on 45/55 mix Boost Additive 50 which is equivalent to Map 3 as it made 227whp more tweaking and turning the boost up maybe a pound will get me there.

No reason to use Octane Booster.


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How is the compatibility between the JB4 and the ultimate performance dwnpipe and midpipes? Is it still over boosting or can we run them safely now without overboost issues?
You can always reduce the boost it's not a problem. It works fine with bolt-ons.


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No reason to use Octane Booster.

And even the best out there, for example Boostane, will wreck your plugs... in spite of their advertising.
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And even the best out there, for example Boostane, will wreck your plugs... in spite of their advertising.
I've used it, it won't "wreck" your plugs, it will turn them orange and that is the MMT residue.

If you use it lots, it will turn everything orange, the combustion chamber, the faces of the valves, all that.

But that is using it for basically years, constant use. Some people have done that, I believe Saab did some long term testing MMT as a octane booster and also pre-turbo water-methanol injection for production cars.


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