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Default 01-28-2015, 08:30 AM

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We've just been waiting for the platform to reach the point that the upgrade was needed.

We already offer an E85 ceritified Stage 2 pump assembly for the F-series that BMS is running on their 435i. It should be good for about 600whp on 100% E85, obviously more at lower E concentrations.

We have not seen the F82 LPFP in person yet. On Realoem it looks the same as the F3X but obviously has a different part number. That stock pump is tiny so they may have just spec'd a different pump for the same assembly. If they did, we can get our Stage 2 out to you anytime. When the time comes to bump it up to a Stage 3...that'll take a lot more R&D since the design is completely different than that of the E-Series.

If you're ambitious, you could remove the access cover to the LPFP, snap a pic, and send it to us at bmw.fuelkits@gmail.com...that'll give us a good idea.
OK sounds good. We modified Terry's PI kit to fit our N55 last night. So next up is the S55 with PI. According to Terry, the LPFP in the S55 seems strong. We have seen the HPFP drop off all over, but not the LP yet. So once we get PI going on the M4, we will take logs and see how much the LPFP can really flow.
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Default 01-28-2015, 12:07 PM

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Hey guys,

I talked to Mark at SS this morning. I explained to him what we're doing with this box. He said he would make a custom tailored box purpose built for this kit.
For those interested, the 6 injector driver box would be labelled AIC1-V6H/EV6 (Voltage input, 6 drivers, High impedance, EV6 injector connectors) It will have the injector harness wired straight into the box.
PURE is not selling these. We just stepped in to help out because we want this on our N55 and S55 too!!!
Since it is Voltage input, I'm guessing the 26psi max cap will be removed?
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Default 01-28-2015, 12:40 PM

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Since it is Voltage input, I'm guessing the 26psi max cap will be removed?
It would be using the voltage from the OE tmap sensor. Terry could answer this question better than us.
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Default 01-28-2015, 12:43 PM

HI Terry..Currently requires a SS AIC 4 for injector control but JB4 integration via a special add on board similar to our methanol injection FSB controller is coming soon.

WHEN is coming soon?
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Default 01-28-2015, 12:53 PM

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It would be using the voltage from the OE tmap sensor. Terry could answer this question better than us.
That's my point though, 0-5V voltage is 0-5V voltage, whether it is coming from the OE 2.5bar tmap sensor or the N20 3.5bar tmap sensor.

The version Terry is using does not take in voltage, it reads in boost directly I believe, with a hard limit of 26psi. With the voltage based version, it could be scaled to support the users needs based on which tmap they have.
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Default 01-28-2015, 12:55 PM

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That's my point though, 0-5V voltage is 0-5V voltage, whether it is coming from the OE 2.5bar tmap sensor or the N20 3.5bar tmap sensor.

The version Terry is using does not take in voltage, it reads in boost directly I believe, with a hard limit of 26psi. With the voltage based version, it could be scaled to support the users needs based on which tmap they have.
Yes I get your point. Not sure. Terry could answer this question better than us.
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Default 01-28-2015, 01:09 PM

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Since it is Voltage input, I'm guessing the 26psi max cap will be removed?
Yes but the labels in the interface will also all be wrong. So you'd have to log it and remap those out.


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Default 01-28-2015, 01:32 PM

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Yes but the labels in the interface will also all be wrong. So you'd have to log it and remap those out.
Yea that would be a pain. I'd rather wait for the JB4 controller. Rescaling the MAP for 3.5 on my ST will be enough scaling to deal with.
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Default 01-28-2015, 02:14 PM

The wire in AIC4 would be easier to install. But in tuning up to around 30psi I haven't found the 26psi cap on the AIC4 to be a big issue yet. 35psi may be another issue. We'll have to see with Payam's car.


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Default 01-28-2015, 04:39 PM

so i have a couple of questions, if they been answered already im sorry for the repeat.
would this kit work with the stage 2 lpfp? can i run meth injection or will their be mapping/wiring issues to do it or any other reason not to? what map would i use on the jb4 to use this or will all of them work?


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Default 01-28-2015, 04:45 PM

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so i have a couple of questions, if they been answered already im sorry for the repeat.
would this kit work with the stage 2 lpfp? can i run meth injection or will their be mapping/wiring issues to do it or any other reason not to? what map would i use on the jb4 to use this or will all of them work?
Stage 1 or 2 LPFP YES
Meth NO
Any map YES
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Default 01-28-2015, 04:53 PM

why cant i run meth is the big thing i am wondering about i know it would not be necessary with the full e85 but i dont wont my kit to go to waste and i feel like meth will give it a little extra in cooling and power. also i am using meth to boost the rbs to 19psi with map 3 and meth add set to 75, will i be able to do this with the pi or will i have to go through map 6 to get the boost i need


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Default 01-28-2015, 05:16 PM

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why cant i run meth is the big thing i am wondering about i know it would not be necessary with the full e85 but i dont wont my kit to go to waste and i feel like meth will give it a little extra in cooling and power. also i am using meth to boost the rbs to 19psi with map 3 and meth add set to 75, will i be able to do this with the pi or will i have to go through map 6 to get the boost i need
X2 will probably not go this route if I need to ditch the methanol kit…
Kids…This is why meth is addicting


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Default 01-28-2015, 05:18 PM

^haha best way to put it


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Default 01-28-2015, 06:10 PM

if you could run straight e85, why would you want meth? if you're blending e85, might as well blend to e60 since there's no really octane benefit above e60, just more stress on the fuel system. but if you can run e85, then the convenience and simplicity of just fill up and go is really nice, no meth needed

I'm a little undecided ATM... i thought i was gonna ditch my methanol, but i may just hang onto it, and save myself $1300-1800 on the PI and run ~e60 and 50/50 methanol... who knows?


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Default 01-28-2015, 06:22 PM

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OK sounds good. We modified Terry's PI kit to fit our N55 last night. So next up is the S55 with PI. According to Terry, the LPFP in the S55 seems strong. We have seen the HPFP drop off all over, but not the LP yet. So once we get PI going on the M4, we will take logs and see how much the LPFP can really flow.
Sounds good, just let us know when you find the limit.

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Default 01-28-2015, 06:46 PM

That still didn't answer the question why can't you run it with e85, if anything it would help the leave the stress from the fuel pump


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Default 01-29-2015, 12:32 AM

I'm really debating jumping on this early, just kind of curious how hard this is to install. Any pics of what it looks like under the hood?


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Default 01-29-2015, 09:36 AM

It's really pretty easy. If you can pull your intake you can install this kit. I'd plan on 2-3 hrs first time around.


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Default 01-29-2015, 09:46 AM

I'll definitely be buying this kit as soon as JB4 integration is worked out. Hopefully this happens soon!


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Default 01-29-2015, 10:25 AM

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if you could run straight e85, why would you want meth? if you're blending e85, might as well blend to e60 since there's no really octane benefit above e60, just more stress on the fuel system. but if you can run e85, then the convenience and simplicity of just fill up and go is really nice, no meth needed

I'm a little undecided ATM... i thought i was gonna ditch my methanol, but i may just hang onto it, and save myself $1300-1800 on the PI and run ~e60 and 50/50 methanol... who knows?
I guess this would benefit those with upgraded turbos above regular RB’s, or Singles and who want to run a really high Ethanol content because mixing is “such a pain” but don’t trust methanol injection.

the water component of any methanol kit is good safety + also steam cleans your internals, turbine and cats (if applicable)

personally my car runs like crap on E85, it would stall on cold start on E40-E50 unless I give it gas, and is pretty jerky at low RPMs with boost being nonlinear.

I can afford $9 per gallon race gas…so E’F it


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Default 02-03-2015, 05:19 AM

terry, if i go to this setup how would i adjust my boost? i currently use meth injection to set my peak boost.

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Default 02-03-2015, 11:23 AM

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terry, if i go to this setup how would i adjust my boost? i currently use meth injection to set my peak boost.

thank you
You use map 6 to set the boost that you want, where you want it. The AIC has its own fuel mapping based on boost and rpm. The other maps don't provide value anymore.

Terry, it would be nice to have a global boost setting (in addition to the map 6 granular settings), as manually updating each map 6 boost cell when we want to change boost isn't optimal.


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Default 02-03-2015, 05:02 PM

Terry, ld u sell the pnp for the power, rpm, and boost for those that already have the system? Or can u show us Wut ld u add to it see if we could reproduce ?
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Default 02-03-2015, 05:03 PM

Terry, ld u sell the pnp for the power, rpm, and boost for those that already have the system? Or can u show us Wut ld u add to it see if we could reproduce ?
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