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Default 02-02-2018, 02:31 AM

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Hi, im a long time reader of this forum but first time posting
Have a little question for you guys, currently have mhd + map2 and jb4.
I wonder if i want to swich between mhd map2 and jb4 its possible whitout removing the jb4? Like put jb4 map0, unplug obd2 and stay mhd only? Thanks in advance!
For ewg map 0. For pwg map 0 and boost solenoid returned to stock.

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Can Speed limiter removal be done without flashing a BEF? if one wanted just that feature and no actually BEF tuning changes? ( just using the jb4 for tuning if we are happy with that)
There is no reason not to use a BEF if you get a flasher license.
But, yes it's doable, and later as flash options will be implemented for all maps, you'll be able to use MHD stage 0 (oem map) with open speed limiter, burble settings etc.
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Default 02-02-2018, 04:45 AM

Hey Terry,

I have a customer's 435i with an EWG PS2 turbo and Meth' injection that I want to run a back-end-flash on, what's the email address I need to hit you up at to obtain a starting flash please?

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Default 02-02-2018, 12:50 PM

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For ewg map 0. For pwg map 0 and boost solenoid returned to stock.
I wanted to try switching between MHD OTS map and JB4 + BEF but came across a post from another forum indicating that JB4 needed to be completely off, not just set to Map 0, since it still manipulates load etc. And that it may affect MHD running OTS map since it's reading sensor values that are basically thru JB4's harness.

I'm interested in having my car dynoed using both setup and wanted to make sure that the result would be valid and fair. The purpose is just for reference (taking one for the team) rather that really trying to directly compare or squeeze every HP on stock turbo.


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Default 02-02-2018, 01:31 PM

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I wanted to try switching between MHD OTS map and JB4 + BEF but came across a post from another forum indicating that JB4 needed to be completely off, not just set to Map 0, since it still manipulates load etc. And that it may affect MHD running OTS map since it's reading sensor values that are basically thru JB4's harness.

I'm interested in having my car dynoed using both setup and wanted to make sure that the result would be valid and fair. The purpose is just for reference (taking one for the team) rather that really trying to directly compare or squeeze every HP on stock turbo.
As long as the JB4 is set to map0 it has no effect in the EWG applications. PWG applications are another story.

Dyno at this point is a waste of time, unless you are custom tuning your car, as maps and tuning techniques are changing by the hour and day as more tables are explored. And the actual performance just depends on how aggressively the maps are setup. We've left our BEF maps set very conservatively on the timing end for example until we fully study MBT at various boost levels and fuels on the platform.


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Default 02-02-2018, 02:37 PM

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As long as the JB4 is set to map0 it has no effect in the EWG applications. PWG applications are another story.

Dyno at this point is a waste of time, unless you are custom tuning your car, as maps and tuning techniques are changing by the hour and day as more tables are explored. And the actual performance just depends on how aggressively the maps are setup. We've left our BEF maps set very conservatively on the timing end for example until we fully study MBT at various boost levels and fuels on the platform.

Gotcha, will hold off on the dyno then. I was just curious to see how it differs from my pre BEF dyno as well. Having mod most cars I owed, this time i wanna track the differences each change along the way, eventually all the way thru to PI and big turbo route.

Btw, just wanna add (not that members here already know) that @Terry support have always been exceptional and would always support him and his products.


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Default 02-04-2018, 02:31 PM

@yoandry - have you noticed a more linear throttle since the BEF? As in, all the boost coming on progressively instead of all at once, that can often happen with JB4 alone.


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Default 02-05-2018, 06:54 PM

Can anyone please share some whp dyno figures on their S55 along with their upgrades, with some of the latest MHD flashes? Curious to know how far we've come so far in these early stages.
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Default 02-05-2018, 08:03 PM

Other than the dynos we've posted I don't think any other S55s one have been done. Still too new.


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Default 02-06-2018, 09:55 AM

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@yoandry - have you noticed a more linear throttle since the BEF? As in, all the boost coming on progressively instead of all at once, that can often happen with JB4 alone.
Yes, throttle is more linear and responsive. Boost still in progress, no matter what you do, you will get all that overboost at wot, pwg life I guess.


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Default 02-06-2018, 05:46 PM

F10 N55 PWG, needs JB4 ISO to run a BEF correct? Non iso cant run BEF?


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Default 02-06-2018, 06:48 PM

For the BEF we're only supporting ISO.


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Default 02-07-2018, 04:15 AM

Hi,

is there any BEF for the M3 F80 ZCP with 95OCT/102RON?

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Default 02-07-2018, 03:53 PM

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For the BEF we're only supporting ISO.
My car is F series N55 PWG running ISO firmware (diode on JB4 board is cut) and I am trying to confirm that when going MHD BEF+Jb4 (after beta most likely) will I need to repair the diode connection and flash back back to non-ISO firmware? Or does this statement mean that I am fine?




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Default 02-07-2018, 04:09 PM

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My car is F series N55 PWG running ISO firmware (diode on JB4 board is cut) and I am trying to confirm that when going MHD BEF+Jb4 (after beta most likely) will I need to repair the diode connection and flash back back to non-ISO firmware? Or does this statement mean that I am fine?
Diode stays out and will be for everyone to do in the future.

With your ps2 + meth, what psi you are running? The lpfp is just to run more e85?

I'm testing mhd bef + jb4 with PS2/93 @14-15psi stock fuel then want to get meth to run like 18-20psi. Will the lpfp be needed also? Thanks


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Default 02-07-2018, 05:02 PM

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Diode stays out and will be for everyone to do in the future.

With your ps2 + meth, what psi you are running? The lpfp is just to run more e85?

I'm testing mhd bef + jb4 with PS2/93 @14-15psi stock fuel then want to get meth to run like 18-20psi. Will the lpfp be needed also? Thanks
I was stable up to about 20 psi with PS2 and FBO and meth. This was on the BMS meth kit and dual CM10 nozzles. I do have the Fuel-it PI kit with 750cc injectors and meth adapter and planned to replace the charge pipe injection setup I am running now. I knew MHD for F series was coming in 2018 so buying the LPFP and PI meth system was done in anticipation of that.




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Default 02-07-2018, 05:40 PM

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I was stable up to about 20 psi with PS2 and FBO and meth. This was on the BMS meth kit and dual CM10 nozzles. I do have the Fuel-it PI kit with 750cc injectors and meth adapter and planned to replace the charge pipe injection setup I am running now. I knew MHD for F series was coming in 2018 so buying the LPFP and PI meth system was done in anticipation of that.
Got you. I think my line for more power will be with just meth kit @ no more than 20psi. This is my DD so thats enough power for me I guess. lol

So, lpfp is actually need it if going for PI or want to run more than e40.
How much difference in power and feel going from just meth to PI on PS2?


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Default 02-07-2018, 06:33 PM

Does jb4 have to be uninstalled or just the obd2 port for flash?


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Default 02-07-2018, 06:49 PM

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Does jb4 have to be uninstalled or just the obd2 port for flash?
Just obd2


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Just obd2
Now would this all be done in accessory mode? Would it be bad to turn the car on with that unplugged as the ecu wouldn't be seeing any of those sensors that are not connected?


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Default 02-07-2018, 07:29 PM

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Now would this all be done in accessory mode? Would it be bad to turn the car on with that unplugged as the ecu wouldn't be seeing any of those sensors that are not connected?
I meant Flash as Bef with jb4. So, ignition on, unplug jb4 obd2, connect MHD ob2, flash stage 0, backup activation file, connect jb4 obd2 back. Then send the flash file to Terry to create the bef. You can still drive your car as normal with stage 0. Everything is on page one.


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Default 02-07-2018, 07:31 PM

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I meant Flash as Bef with jb4. So, ignition on, unplug jb4 obd2, connect MHD ob2, flash stage 0, backup activation file, connect jb4 obd2 back. Then send the flash file to Terry to create the bef. You can still drive your car as normal with stage 0. Everything is on page one.
Got it, I just wasn't sure if it was uninstall completely or unplug. Thank you for the clarification.


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Default 02-09-2018, 05:01 PM

Any way to get JB4 to "log" while in the background? I cannot use my Dragy to record performance and watch my JB4 gauges at the same time. Neither will work while in the background. Only alternative seems like I need to have a second Android device in the car....
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JB4 logs just fine in the bagground for me running e.g. PerfExpert. Have not done this for some time though so might be a revision issue - or Dragy causing issues.

Try to post here: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21742

When I put Dragy up, my JB4 will not log. When I have my JB4 up, the Dragy will not record my performance. I may need a second Android device. Haha!
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Default 02-09-2018, 06:45 PM

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When I put Dragy up, my JB4 will not log. When I have my JB4 up, the Dragy will not record my performance. I may need a second Android device. Haha!
Doesn't dragy use Bluetooth too? How you going to connect 2 bt devices, jb4 and dragy to one phone, ain't gonna happen.


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Default 02-09-2018, 06:56 PM

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Doesn't dragy use Bluetooth too? How you going to connect 2 bt devices, jb4 and dragy to one phone, ain't gonna happen.
As far as I know, I'm connected to my JB4, Dragy, and my Car's BT. All at the same time.
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