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Default 05-21-2022, 08:27 AM

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Added about 4.5gal of E85 to my crappy 91oct. Timing on Map2 fixed itself, Map3 appeared to look good as well so I took a run at Map4 and the car seems to be running incredibly strong! Am I missing anything or would I be able to add a little more power in a custom map with my current fueling? Map4 log attached, Thanks!
Looks strong to me. You should be fine fuel pressure wise running 6 gallons E85, rest 91, for a little more octane insurance on map4.


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Default 05-21-2022, 08:28 AM

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I have a 1.6l turbo and I get timing corrections up to 9.5 across IGN 2 -3- 4 on all maps. I was told that on 1.6l turbo's the IGN values are different that on the stingers V6 platform.
The value I was told to look at in logs is IGN 1 and make sure there were no large drops (greater than 3.0) at any point (except shifts of course).
I am not sure if the 2.0l turbo platform is the same as the 1.6l turbo but it might be different than the stingers.
For the 1.6 models we report "raw timing" rather than corrections. So you'd been looking for cylinder specific deviations. Post up a log and I can see if its normal.


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Default 05-21-2022, 08:29 AM

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Thanks for your input. That seems to make the most sense. Something is different about the Veloster. When I log just corrections, I see 4.5 every time on ign2-4. But when I log raw timing, I see no corrections at all. But looking back through some of my recent logs, if I look at ign1 as you suggested, timing numbers seem more appropriate for what is going on. As in which map I was running, or which octane.

I really appreciate your comment. It seems like ign2-4 just don't work properly on the veloster.
Post up a log and lets check it out. It's possible your model isn't recording that data properly. I should be able to tell from the log.


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Default 05-21-2022, 10:50 AM

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Post up a log and lets check it out. It's possible your model isn't recording that data properly. I should be able to tell from the log.
Thanks Terry. Here are 2 short logs. 2020 Veloster N nonPP

Notice in the corrections file, it's 3.8 and 4.5 but in the raw file it doesn't look to me like ANY timing pulls. These are both map 0 with about an e25 mix.

These logs are short and to the point. I have longer pulls but they're just messier and show the same thing. Also, I've done logs on map0,1,2, and 8 valet mode. They all show the same "corrections".
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Default The methane is not coming out properly - 06-05-2022, 06:10 AM

Attach injection volume rise and fall logs


What's the cause?
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Default Log Check - 06-07-2022, 06:18 AM

Hello,

Does this map 3 log look okay? it was a bit slippery so I'm sure the log isn't the best.

P21_M3_R1_220604_0515.csv

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Default 06-07-2022, 07:03 AM

Also, on the user settings. Should I adjust boost safety higher than 24? and change the FUA to 3? AND lol..disable fuel control? I have the fuel wire hooked up but now I'm thinking I shouldn't have.

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Attach injection volume rise and fall logs


What's the cause?
Photo of tank setup? Maybe cap is not venting properly.


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Hello,

Does this map 3 log look okay? it was a bit slippery so I'm sure the log isn't the best.

Attachment 106661

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To evaluate logs we'd really need 40-90mph full throttle on a safe private track. These runs are too short to see much.


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Default 06-07-2022, 10:04 AM

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To evaluate logs we'd really need 40-90mph full throttle on a safe private track. These runs are too short to see much.
Okay, I'll see if I can get that.

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Default 06-07-2022, 11:59 AM

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AND... disable fuel control? I have the fuel wire hooked up but now I'm thinking I shouldn't have.

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Why do you think you shouldn't have the fuel wire hooked up?
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Default 06-07-2022, 12:21 PM

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Why do you think you shouldn't have the fuel wire hooked up?
I read that there's not much benefit to using them on the 1.6L engines and I think using them had caused some "weird" fuel spikes on someone else's car. See post #3768 and the next few after on this thread. I may have just read that wrong so don't take my word for it since I know nothing about this tuner aside from what I've read on here lol.
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Oh ok. That makes sense, I wasn't thinking the 1.6t
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Default JB4 log G70 3.3T - 06-08-2022, 05:16 PM

hello all, wanted to see if someone can check out my logs. Genesis g70 3.3t. Currently running HKS plugs gapped to .022 and intakes on 93 Map 2. Car felt great and ready to run e-30. Thanks
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Default Log Check - 06-09-2022, 05:15 AM

Hey Terry,

Here's a better log.

P21_M3_R2_220609_0733.csv

Thanks!

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Default 06-09-2022, 02:58 PM

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I read that there's not much benefit to using them on the 1.6L engines and I think using them had caused some "weird" fuel spikes on someone else's car. See post #3768 and the next few after on this thread. I may have just read that wrong so don't take my word for it since I know nothing about this tuner aside from what I've read on here lol.
Fuel spikes?????

I highly recommend connecting the fuel wire period.

1) The car runs rich on pump gas, this compromises power at high rpm.

2) You need it to run ethanol blends among other things, also to keep the air-fuel ratio in-line for water methanol injection.


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Default 06-09-2022, 08:32 PM

tCizzler I just hooked up my jb4 (2019 fbo VNPP) today, I will be doing my initial logs tomorrow on map zero. I will be looking trough them very closely and will post them to be looked at. Also would full 1/4 logs (with cooldown area) be too much to look at on here?

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Default log for map0 VN - 06-10-2022, 08:14 AM

Attached is log for map zero pull as tCizzler was saying the car has a timing scale that seems to be very consistent, I did a few pulls and they where all within 4 or 5 percent of each other so instead of posting all of them I'm just going to attach the longest one. Forgot to add car is on 93 with 3.5 gallons of a pretty regularly tested e85 site that has 80%-91% ethanol.
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Default 06-10-2022, 08:44 AM

The purity of the Ethanol is meaningless at this level of modification.

Two things -

Always pump the E85 first, the pump is at the bottom of the tank.

Always start from Map 1 with any change in fuel. You are working with the adaptives in the PCM not against them, it will take longer to get the timing values up if you change fuel and then turn it up to a map that is too aggressive for pump gas.


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Default 06-10-2022, 09:09 AM

I always pump the ethanol first just to get a better mix. I also try for the purer e85 mixes mainly because alot of places near me with their flex fuel is 45%-55% ethanol and it throws off the mixes ever so slightly. And this was map0 on a fresh install for checking that everything was looking good.
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Default 06-10-2022, 09:40 AM

97% of the benefits come from 20% blends.

How is purity below 70% throwing things off?

Standard blend would be based on a 14 gallon tank like in my Forte GT is 3.5 gallons and the rest 91.

The car runs the same if other conditions remain the same.

The car does run better with Sunoco GT-260+ by as much as a tenth, maybe more.

But that is because it's superior to pump gas E85 and any blend you can make on your own.


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Default 06-10-2022, 10:33 AM

So just because I have safety and purity preferences you want to try and act like you know more about fuel blends than me? I only came here for positive information and log verification. If I was so inclined I would convert the whole system for m1 and get a motec. Do you assume I know nothing?
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So just because I have safety and purity preferences you want to try and act like you know more about fuel blends than me? I only came here for positive information and log verification. If I was so inclined I would convert the whole system for m1 and get a motec. Do you assume I know nothing?
I can read your logs, not an issue.

My point was, don't worry about it. 3-3.5 gallons and go.

It won't make a difference at this level of modification.

Why convert to MoTec and run M1 when you can run M5 or better yet 50% Methanol and 50% Nitromethane?

My suggestion is positive, where is it negative????


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Default 06-10-2022, 10:44 AM

Finally, I will say this one more time.

Nobody and I mean nobody has done more dyno and fuel testing than me, including you.


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