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Default 06-28-2017, 08:59 AM

People need to see things from the companies point of view. Something's aren't worth gambling with. They already had issues in the past with EPA. In the end of the day it's how these guys make a living and they aren't gonna give that up just to include race use only settings.
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Default 06-28-2017, 10:27 AM

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I think only VW can get away with it! LOL
Honestly, that's probably a major reason why things are getting worse. It only takes one ******* to mess things up for all of us.

Maybe Trump will save us and abolish the EPA?


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Default 06-28-2017, 10:29 AM

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Honestly, that's probably a major reason why things are getting worse. It only takes one ******* to mess things up for all of us.

Maybe Trump will save us and abolish the EPA?
Its not the EPA thats the problem. It was always 49 state "legal" with the EPA. The problem is CARB.


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Default 06-28-2017, 11:31 AM

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Its not the EPA thats the problem. It was always 49 state "legal" with the EPA. The problem is CARB.
It's likely a combination of both. I'm taking Terry at his word.


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Default 06-28-2017, 12:15 PM

The best solution is to simply only offer 50-state legal products within the USA. Those offering race use only parts that do not meet 1A standards should be concerned with the gray areas in the law, but more and more states now also only accept CARB certified (50-state) products. It's an expensive and time consuming process but worth the effort.


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Default 06-28-2017, 12:47 PM

Will you be changing your backend flashes to reflect a similar process? Will those begin requiring photo proof and all?


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Default 06-28-2017, 01:01 PM

The BEF maps posted are simply templates for reference. But I do expect companies providing flashing tools to take more aggressive compliance steps in the future.


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Default 06-28-2017, 09:07 PM

Oh, and one question I had and forgot to ask.
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Oh, and one question I had and forgot to ask.
Not going to get in to a detailed discussion of the issue on the forums. If you have a specific question about the appropriate use of a product purchased from us feel free to email for clarification.


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Default 07-01-2017, 12:07 PM

So will we be able to still delete the codes if they come up, like at the end of our leases prior to taking the JB4 out of the car?

Is there going to be a way to erase the codes? Or can it be done by contacting BMS at the end of our use of the JB4 to take care of clearing the codes?

This was one of the only reasons I put the JB4 on my car, because of the ability to clear the codes.

Also it can't be a 50 state certification thing, because APR (Audi, VW, Porsche tuners) have a code reset and they are 50 state legal. I had their software on my S4 I owned before I got the new 340xi.

Let us know what we are in for here.
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Default 07-01-2017, 12:13 PM

I can still clear codes on the newest firmware. It's my understanding that it's only the "auto clear" function that has been disabled.

Keep in mind, code readers and clearing tools have been available for decades now. There is no way to fully defeat an illegal exhaust modification with only a manual code clear. So I wouldn't be worried.


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Default 07-01-2017, 03:20 PM

You can read and clear fault codes as often as you'd like.


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Default 07-01-2017, 04:54 PM

If I understand it correctly for USA it will be not clearing or supporting clearing of codes that has anything to do with emission specific codes, override or hide of 3" if it's not race only specified and declared race only car. Otherwise all remains as is. So its simple and straight forward that BMS dont want to be liable of offering emission manipulation stuff to street legal cars


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Default 07-01-2017, 10:16 PM

Can we avoid many of these unwanted changes by staying at firmware 7 and not updating?
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Default 07-01-2017, 10:33 PM

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Can we avoid many of these unwanted changes by staying at firmware 7 and not updating?
I believe it was stated old firmware would be obsolete and automatically stop working w/o an update.


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Default 07-02-2017, 07:52 PM

Looks like I missed a line of code on the B58 firmware. Download and try again!


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Default 07-02-2017, 08:06 PM

So no more in dash clearing codes on the fly?
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Default 07-02-2017, 08:07 PM

You can still clear codes in dash.


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Default 07-03-2017, 05:39 AM

It should be noted that just because BMS has to be "in compliance" doesn't mean you, as the owner of a JB4 and your BMW have to be.


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Default 07-03-2017, 07:03 AM

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Looks like I missed a line of code on the B58 firmware. Download and try again!
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Default 07-07-2017, 06:19 PM

How does it check what state/country your in? by GPS location or Network/IP address?


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Default 07-07-2017, 06:29 PM

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How does it check what state/country your in? by GPS location or Network/IP address?
Probably by vin?


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Default 07-07-2017, 08:19 PM

Different redundant methods are used for country and we'll continue to improve and implement stronger measures as required. We're checking for country only, not by state. Most states now require 50-state status and EPA also has its own requirements we need to meet.

In the grand scheme of things it's a relatively minor change. You guys will get used to it.


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Default 07-07-2017, 09:14 PM

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Probably by vin?
Wouldn't work by VIN. Since you can ship a car anywhere. Cant be by MAC address either because you can bring the device anywhere. Has to be either IP address or GPS location.

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Different redundant methods are used for country and we'll continue to improve and implement stronger measures as required. We're checking for country only, not by state. Most states now require 50-state status and EPA also has its own requirements we need to meet.

In the grand scheme of things it's a relatively minor change. You guys will get used to it.
So which is it?


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Default 07-10-2017, 06:24 PM

I'm in Canada and auto-clear doesn't work anymore! How can I change it back to a working status since I'm not limited by the Trump nation?


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