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Default How to get better timing? Map7 - 01-21-2018, 05:11 PM

Weird enough the same settings for the standard hex 8 file wouldnt drive without throttle closures. I downloaded hex 8 t12 and it runs map 7 with no closure but with fua at 30. My timing is low how do i increase it? Would reducing psi when meth kick in help?
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Default 01-22-2018, 12:11 PM

How does map 1 and 2 look? Looks like you may not have enough octane.



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Default 01-23-2018, 02:29 PM

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Default 01-23-2018, 07:18 PM

Map 2 is not triggering meth, set meth trigger to 1. Otherwise the log looks pretty normal.



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Default Map 7 still doesnt work - 01-25-2018, 12:23 AM

Map 7 still doesnt work well but map 2 in the first pull was great. How do i make map 7 work?
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Default 01-25-2018, 10:15 AM

Odd....there must be some sort of issue. Map 2 is an additive map and appears to be doing fine.

Have you verified your EWG wires are installed correctly? Your DME BT is all kinds of wonky and that is causing the JB4 targets to be as well.



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Default Ewg wires - 01-25-2018, 10:30 AM

I also guessed that there maybe an issue with the ewg wires, however i tried map 6 and set everything to absolute boost and it worked. Map 7 used to work months ago but i have no idea why it doesnt now. I wouldnt mind running map 6 if its the same but the safety part scares me.
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Default Used to work - 01-25-2018, 10:32 AM

This is map 7 from months ago hat used to work but this was only on the 7th firmware not the latest one sadly idk if that maybe the issue.
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Default 01-25-2018, 01:56 PM

Have you tried setting FUD back to zero? That was where you had it previously. If that works then we can work our way backwards to see what went wrong.



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Default 01-25-2018, 07:18 PM

Placed fud back to 0 for the first run

2nd run i added 30 fua in an attempt to raise throttle
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Default 01-25-2018, 08:33 PM

Second log doesn't look so hot with FUA at 30, you'll need to experiment with that.

1st log as you noted does have excessive throttle closure but at least boost is smooth.



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Default Close but no cigar - 01-26-2018, 08:25 PM

So im close.... or so i think lol.
I did a total of 3 map 7 runs but for some odd reason only 10 additive works fine once i changed it to 30 back to closures..... timing actually went up in one of the runs just want to add about 2-3 more pounds of boost and keep the timing the same and afr the same and im happy. Any suggestions? Ff was adjusting all over the place idk if thats good or bad.
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Default 01-27-2018, 11:53 AM

Add 10, FUA 15 looked good. Can you slowly start walking your adder up? FF will adjust as needed but we need to make sure it's not too high. Better for it to learn up than down.



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Default 01-28-2018, 03:58 PM

So im slowly walking the adder up like 5 add evey trip to and from work and its slowly working which i dont understand why it wasnt working before with the same additive. Is it because it has to slowly adapt? And if so whats it adapting so far im at 25 add and its going good.


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Default 01-28-2018, 06:32 PM

Nvm it still doesnt go past 10 well ... 20 breaks up throttle again. I even tried map 3 and it breaks up with 40 add but map 2 doesnt. Does this hint for something?


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Default 01-29-2018, 10:49 AM

That is odd...the additive doesn't affect map 3, that is only for map 7. Does map 3 exhibit the same issue if meth is disabled?



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Default 01-29-2018, 03:39 PM

No only when meth is enabled. I can give logs in about 3 hours if needed.


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Default 01-29-2018, 06:11 PM

Nevermind they both do
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Default 01-30-2018, 11:02 AM

You set your FUA back to 0. :

I would eliminate meth for now and get it stable at lower boost settings. Then re-introduce meth.



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Default 01-31-2018, 10:14 PM

Got map 3 to work but still can figure out how to increase boost as i raise add i have to raise fua it seems to makeit run right and im limited to around 12 psi tomorrow i will try to unplug 1 end lf the ewg to see if the stock wastegate connection works better thats the lats time i remember it working properly
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Default 02-01-2018, 12:27 PM

Looks much better when you are underboosting but still pretty lean.

I haven't had to play much with that as our car doesn't have those issues.



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Default 02-24-2018, 03:59 PM

This engine is extremely sensitive to tuning and hardware changes. Adding meth can help AFR, but does not get you completely out of the woods in all areas.

I have noticed that DME BT needs to be above 12 or so for Map 7 to be working well. It also cannot be fluctuating too much at any given time (up or down).

Actual Boost needs to be within about 1.0 PSI of JB4 Target, otherwise FF is too low and I start having issues with DME BT, which hurts AFR (too lean) and timing (too low). This is true when running a meth or non-meth map.

When I run Map 6 (without meth), I have issues whenever I target anything less than 16-17 PSI. DME BT just doesn't like it. I don't even attempt additive maps with MPPSK because it runs so bad in all scenarios.

DME BT is the biggest factor in a good log on the B58. If that is not running well, AFR, timing, and other stuff WILL suffer.


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Default 02-25-2018, 01:34 AM

So.... strangely i switched back from x98 to M1 (meth) 3 days ago and the my car runs smoother. It started to rain so i didnt get to get a great log, and its been raining for the past few days but tomorrow ill try and get a map 7 with meth log as well as a flat 17 for map 6 which i wasnt able to do once i switched to x98 i had psi highs of 12 for about 3 months. I started to backtrack track dates to see when it worked and when it didnt and it seemed to be right after i switched to x98. i appreciate you updating me though with meth the dme seemed to be much happier idk if its a random act or it actually is better for my car.

So your saying i should increase my ff if i see that my actual is below my target?
Whats a good tip to keep dme bt up?
When key elements is there in a log to see if i should add more octane like e85?
Also whats a good rule when trying to balance fua and additive? As i increase add i have to increase fua it seems but i havent tried it with meth. I also realized low add and low fua felt better than high add and high fua.
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Default 02-25-2018, 11:45 AM

I don't think going from X98 to M1 is going to make anything better. If anything, ethanol is going to run better than methanol due to the higher stoich ratio and needing less of it. Most people have reported that to be the case.

Like Steve said, I would figure out how to make you car run well without meth, then try to reintroduce it. Try meth settings for Map 6 and see if you can get it to adapt so you have good logs: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47581

Even though you're not running 91 octane mixed with E85, you still should be able to get it to run well. It might take several pulls for FF to learn and the stock DME to adapt. You can speed it up by adjusting FF manually, as I think it does not learn aggressively enough in its current form.

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Default 02-25-2018, 06:49 PM

Got map 3 no closure with fua 10
Map 3 wih meth with fua at 15
Map 7 fua 15 ..... fail

How exactly would you “introduce” meth what exactly am i playing with? Am i limited to just fua changing? No

Would this procedure work ->
1st Run map 6 with meth disabled on absolute 17 once it runs fine... then...
run map 6 with meth enabled until ff and fua are good ... finally
run map 7 and it should work with the same ff and fua map 6 worked on? Would ff and fua be the same seeming that they are both absolute?
OR!
Run map 7 with 40 add, 30 fua (which is where boost was linear but way below target) and skip ff to higher numbers until boost is close to target? A close friend is able to run his b58 with ff values around 120-140
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