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Lightbulb Question about a head 2 head - 01-10-2018, 10:24 PM

Hey guys hope all is well with you

Have a question about a head to head. As some of you know I have a few races against a bolt on twin turbo infiniti redsport on my YouTube channel. Well he didn’t take too kindly to it and got rid of it early to pick up a new c63s amg.

Bit of reference: Fastest cars on my kill list are a new Camarro ss 6.2(not the zl1), 500whp sti, e60 m5 exhaust mods, gt350 (stock), s4 stage 2, comp m3(stock), and the redsport (heavily modified) which dynod at 426whp and 450whp on pump.

*edit after run[ he had pilot sport cups and the performance seats so he claimed 3900lbs.] His 63 weighs right over 4000 pounds, compared to the ~3600 comp and ~3900 q50, which I think were the fastest 1/4 mile cars I’ve run.

The amg s is a monster. I looked up some dynos and it’s putting down 470whp/480lbs

On a pump/e40 mix I’m right above 18psi on my kill map 7.

I’m assuming the weight difference will play a factor as it did against the Infiniti. His car ran 11.6 @ 123 so it’s a good frame of reference.

I Have the video against this infiniti on my youtube channel, and will definitely post the 63s video as soon we run it. Also I just posted a cold start of his car with some revs on my instagram if you want to hear that brutal engine in 50 degree weather.

Any idea how it’ll go? Looking forward to hear some insight from you guys, have a nice night.




*2/20 edit: ran the amg


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Default 01-11-2018, 03:47 AM

I think you'll give him a good run, but that thing as you stated is such a beast. I think it will be close, but you may have to take the L. I hope it goes well and let us know how you make out! Nice kill list btw


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Default 01-11-2018, 03:52 AM

I think you'll also get a better shot if doing a roll race since I'm pretty sure those things have a well built AWD system? Did your friend get the optional "loud" button for the exhaust LOL


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Default 01-11-2018, 09:53 AM

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I think you'll give him a good run, but that thing as you stated is such a beast. I think it will be close, but you may have to take the L. I hope it goes well and let us know how you make out! Nice kill list btw
Yeah we usually run to high speeds as well so it’ll be a good side by side comparison. First experience in his car was in this crazy California storm so couldn’t really take it to the limit, but it’s definitely a monster. I’ll post the video as soon as we run it.

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I think you'll also get a better shot if doing a roll race since I'm pretty sure those things have a well built AWD system? Did your friend get the optional "loud" button for the exhaust LOL
Yeah he has the loud button got some of the revs on video https://www.instagram.com/jb435i/ , I’m pretty sure it’s just like the jb4 canflap valve control. These ‘18 c63s’s don’t have the awd system they put in the e63s but I’ll probably race him both off a dig and roll.


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I don't see a turbo upgrade in your mod list. You will be destroyed.
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Careful it isn't tuned or your might get really embarrassed. I think you will lose if it is stock, but it will be close. A tune gives them over 100hp more.
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Careful it isn't tuned or your might get really embarrassed. I think you will lose if it is stock, but it will be close. A tune gives them over 100hp more.
Nope, his c63 isn’t tuned brother(yet ) , it’s stock on the Michelin cup sport tires. I’m trying to convince him to at least get a stage 1 on it but he’s hesitant after blowing his infiniti motor after he got it retuned to get over 450whp, and the Benz is in a different league, which is whats holding him back.

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I don't see a turbo upgrade in your mod list. You will be destroyed.
Correct I’m on stock turbo. His Infiniti on his ethanol map can run slower but pretty close 1/4 mile times to his new benz, and I beat that redsport pretty handily, which is my closest frame of reference. I know these 63s’s are faster than M’s but the difference can’t be that much.


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Default 01-11-2018, 01:06 PM

For roll racing you should compare trap speed mph to get a feel for the cars ability when traction isn't an issue. It looks like the AMG pulls 120 - 125 mph traps stock. If you're still on the stock turbo I would guess you're 116 mph or less. He should beat you pretty easily.

His car should beat me on E30 and I would only beat him by a little bit if I hooked methanol back up.


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For roll racing you should compare trap speed mph to get a feel for the cars ability when traction isn't an issue. It looks like the AMG pulls 120 - 125 mph traps stock. If you're still on the stock turbo I would guess you're 116 mph or less. He should beat you pretty easily.

His car should beat me on E30 and I would only beat him by a little bit if I hooked methanol back up.
We’re gonna race both off a dig and a roll so will have data for both. The comp m3 and infiniti I ran trapped around the same speed as the merc as well, the difference is, this merc has more power than those two and heavier

Also are those your actual 1/4 mile times and traps on upgraded turbo/methanol? Do you have pneumatic wastegate or electronic?


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Default 02-17-2018, 11:13 PM

Ran against him tonight he got me by half a car, logs showed a little above 17psi, so room for a couple more psi left in there but good run nonetheless. YouTube video coming soon, but the runs are already up on my instagram if you wanna check it out, @jb435i


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Hey guys hope all is well with you

Have a question about a head to head. As some of you know I have a few races against a bolt on twin turbo infiniti redsport on my YouTube channel. Well he didnít take too kindly to it and got rid of it early to pick up a new c63s amg.

Bit of reference: Fastest cars on my kill list are a new Camarro ss 6.2(not the zl1), 500whp sti, e60 m5 exhaust mods, gt350 (stock), s4 stage 2, comp m3(stock), and the redsport (heavily modified) which dynod at 426whp and 450whp on e85 mix.

His 63 weighs right over 4000 pounds, compared to the ~3600 comp and ~3900 q50, which I think were the fastest 1/4 mile cars Iíve run.

The amg s is a monster. I looked up some dynos and itís putting down 470whp/480lbs His car is stock on the factory run flats.

On a pump/e40 mix Iím right above 18psi on my kill map.

Iím assuming the weight difference will play a factor as it did against the Infiniti. His car runs low 12ís so itís a good frame of reference.

I Have the video against this infiniti on my youtube channel, and will definitely post the 63s video as soon we run it. Also I just posted a cold start of his car with some revs on my instagram if you want to hear that brutal engine in 50 degree weather.

Any idea how itíll go? Looking forward to hear some insight from you guys, have a nice night.
Cool thread ! How fast is the 435i ? 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile ? Stock seems they are pretty quick !
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Cool thread ! How fast is the 435i ? 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile ? Stock seems they are pretty quick !
They’re fast stock but the tune and bolt ons really wake up the engine. I don’t know my 435i 1/8 or 1/4 mile times with this setup, but I know his c63s ran around 7 in a half 1/8mile iirc/ and 11.6@123 1/4 mile. He said it makes between 470-480whp stock.


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Yep, thats fast ! Its crazy how many lower h.p. cars can beat higher h.p. cars in the 1/8 and 1/4. Of course traction ,vehicle weight, driver , etc all play a part. Im trying to make it to fontana this Wed. to see what my car can do.
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Yep, thats fast ! Its crazy how many lower h.p. cars can beat higher h.p. cars in the 1/8 and 1/4. Of course traction ,vehicle weight, driver , etc all play a part. Im trying to make it to fontana this Wed. to see what my car can do.
Yeah thereís so many factors to 1/8 and 1/4 mile times, I feel like the best way to compare cars are runs on the same day/track/temperature etc, but even with that, there are still a lot of variables as you mentioned. Looking forward to your results


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Yeah thereís so many factors to 1/8 and 1/4 mile times, I feel like the best way to compare cars are runs on the same day/track/temperature etc, but even with that, there are still a lot of variables as you mentioned. Looking forward to your results
Im not...lol
Im afraid ill be disappointed.
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Im not...lol
Im afraid ill be disappointed.
Don't be afraid! worst case scenario you learn some new things, do some fine tuning, and come back stronger, there's no possible negative outcome


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Damn man that thing is pretty fast. It makes me wonder what the hell I'm doing wrong? Are you running map 7? Do you have any logs from those runs?

One of my best buddies has a 2015 c7. With intake, secondary ***** delete, and the Diablo tune. I'm not sure how much power those mods actually add as he is not supercharged.

Anyways I can't beat him. 60-120 mph he'll have 1-2 car lengths on me. I think I should be able to at least keep up with him. 2016 M235i mods should be in my signature.

Would you mind providing a log and settings for comparison?


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Damn man that thing is pretty fast. It makes me wonder what the hell I'm doing wrong? Are you running map 7? Do you have any logs from those runs?

One of my best buddies has a 2015 c7. With intake, secondary ***** delete, and the Diablo tune. I'm not sure how much power those mods actually add as he is not supercharged.

Anyways I can't beat him. 60-120 mph he'll have 1-2 car lengths on me. I think I should be able to at least keep up with him. 2016 M235i mods should be in my signature.

Would you mind providing a log and settings for comparison?
Im running map 7 in the video but I’m going to run map 5 next time since I’m good conditions the powerband feels smoother and top end feels stronger. I also had pump gas mixed with 6.1 gallons of e85 for fuel. I see you’re running meth so you’re definitely making more power than me. Those corvettes are really light that’s probably why. The c63s amg weighs in at around 4000lbs which is why I can even keep up with less power. Pm me your email I’ll get a screen shot of my jb4 Bluetooth settings when I can, and see if I can get you the logs from the runs as well.


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Im running map 7 in the video but Iím going to run map 5 next time since Iím good conditions the powerband feels smoother and top end feels stronger. I also had pump gas mixed with 6.1 gallons of e85 for fuel. I see youíre running meth so youíre definitely making more power than me. Those corvettes are really light thatís probably why. The c63s amg weighs in at around 4000lbs which is why I can even keep up with less power. Pm me your email Iíll get a screen shot of my jb4 Bluetooth settings when I can, and see if I can get you the logs from the runs as well.
I also have ethanol availible and have mixed e35 in with methanol and couldn't beat him. The only kicker is I may not have been running 100% when I raced him.

When I first installed meth I had a leak and then had air in the lines then adjusted the water to meth ratio. I think I've got most things ironed out now though.

He's 3200-3300 lbs and I'm 3400-3500. I think c7s Dyno around 400 whp from the factory and I would guess that I dyno around 415 with the meth? I'm thinking with the bef meth and e35 I should be able to take him.

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I also have ethanol availible and have mixed e35 in with methanol and couldn't beat him. The only kicker is I may not have been running 100% when I raced him.

When I first installed meth I had a leak and then had air in the lines then adjusted the water to meth ratio. I think I've got most things ironed out now though.

He's 3200-3300 lbs and I'm 3400-3500. I think c7s Dyno around 400 whp from the factory and I would guess that I dyno around 415 with the meth? I'm thinking with the bef meth and e35 I should be able to take him.

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I ran a c7 recently and was head to head up to ~110 then let off, do you have any logs or vids from the runs


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Time for a 20PSI flat boost map6.

Great runs, i bet with a little tweaking you could hang with him.


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Time for a 20PSI flat boost map6.

Great runs, i bet with a little tweaking you could hang with him.
If someone could help me make a 19.5 psi map 6 Iíd forever be grateful and shout you out in my next run. Iíve seen 20psi hit on map 5 so in ideal conditions, a 19.5 psi kill map would be cool to have. My map 5 definitely feels faster than map 7 felt in that run. I think Iíll do a lot betterl against a normal c63 but the s is definitely a monster. Kudos to AMG on that engine, itís a beauty.


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I ran a c7 recently and was head to head up to ~110 then let off, do you have any logs or vids from the runs
Unfortunately no log or video. Bastard beat me then left for Mexico for a year +1.

On the plus side I think I'll have all the tuning sorted out by the time he gets back. On the down side I think he wants to add a supercharger to the c7 when he gets back.


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If someone could help me make a 19.5 psi map 6 Iíd forever be grateful and shout you out in my next run. Iíve seen 20psi hit on map 5 so in ideal conditions, a 19.5 psi kill map would be cool to have. My map 5 definitely feels faster than map 7 felt in that run. I think Iíll do a lot betterl against a normal c63 but the s is definitely a monster. Kudos to AMG on that engine, itís a beauty.

Also I've wanted to create a map like the as well but never have. I don't think that map 6 supports meth so I haven't looked into it much.

I think you could grab a few map 5 logs and look at the values your are getting to derive a map 6.

Not sure if you could just put 19.5 in flat boost and have that work.

Stock turbo seems to take till about 3000+ rpm to hit max boost and tapers down towards redline. Again you can probably look at a map 5 log and build your map 6 to Target 19.5 through the middle range and taper down towards redline. I'll be following this thread too.


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