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Default 08-11-2019, 08:58 AM

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There's just too many variables in this to worry about fractions of gallons. It's all ballpark and guesswork, don't believe other wise.
Sure, but i'd rather do some simple math in my head to ensure I don't screw too much with fuel trims. E30 to E38 is only 8 points, but can make a difference depending on maps, boost and other factors.
But lets go the other way... 8 gallons is close to 6, so lets do that. Now you are running about a e48 which is no bueno.

I guess it's all ballpark, but i'd rather control what I can, to ensure the stock fuel system stays in check, especially with the heat we are experiencing.
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Default 08-11-2019, 08:59 AM

The ECU is highly adaptive with it's full time closed loop fuel control so you don't need to be overly precise in the mixture.


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Will this be made for the 2L engine? I know there are not a lot of us out there, but I am sure if you made a small batch they would sell.

Please and thank you!
I haven't looked at the 2L PCV system yet, have photos of the current OCC offerings out? I'll see if this look compatible.


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Default 08-11-2019, 10:01 AM

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Sure, but i'd rather do some simple math in my head to ensure I don't screw too much with fuel trims. E30 to E38 is only 8 points, but can make a difference depending on maps, boost and other factors.
But lets go the other way... 8 gallons is close to 6, so lets do that. Now you are running about a e48 which is no bueno.

I guess it's all ballpark, but i'd rather control what I can, to ensure the stock fuel system stays in check, especially with the heat we are experiencing.
ok, my point is simple... If you don't know the exact ethanol content of the gas (say 93 octane premium), the exact ethanol content of the E85 or at least octane, then you are just mixing on assumptions and guesses... which helps as to what Terry says... it doesn't have to be exact. I would think that if you try to be consistent in your sources of fuel and your mixtures, your logs are your only hope to maximize performance.
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Default 08-11-2019, 10:21 AM

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I haven't looked at the 2L PCV system yet, have photos of the current OCC offerings out? I'll see if this look compatible.
Thanks as always for the quick response Terry.

I don't have any OCC installed right now, but is this what you are looking for?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Va20nQsaF1FgCN



Happy to do more research on my own to get you the info you need, but I am not very mechanically inclined, so you might have to lead this horse right into the water
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Default 08-11-2019, 10:33 AM

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The ECU is highly adaptive with it's full time closed loop fuel control so you don't need to be overly precise in the mixture.
Fair enough... I was too cautious with my past BMW and Golf R on JB4's when running E85.
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Default 08-11-2019, 01:31 PM

Got my JB4 installed a bit ago. Having trouble getting the firewall grommet to move for ob2. Any suggestions? This is a genesis g70 3.3t
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Some of us are still running the factory NGK plugs regapped without any issues as well for free. LOL
Well that’s really not free. Maybe your time is but certainly not mine. If someone is going to take the time to pull plugs it only makes sense to drop a better plug in as opposed to the trash KIA used (even re-gapped).
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Default 08-11-2019, 02:12 PM

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Got my JB4 installed a bit ago. Having trouble getting the firewall grommet to move for ob2. Any suggestions? This is a genesis g70 3.3t
There's a gap where the front fender meets the hood. Squeeze it in through there and have it come down by the door.
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Got my JB4 installed a bit ago. Having trouble getting the firewall grommet to move for ob2. Any suggestions? This is a genesis g70 3.3t
I know you have a G70 but this is worth a shot assuming you don’t want a wire coming up through the door jab.

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Default 08-11-2019, 03:28 PM

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There's a gap where the front fender meets the hood. Squeeze it in through there and have it come down by the door.
Thanks for this. Doing this as a temp solution. I will get it wired better and I need to change out my plugs.
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Default 08-11-2019, 03:30 PM

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I know you have a G70 but this is worth a shot assuming you don’t want a wire coming up through the door jab.

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This is what I needed to see! I was trying to pry the grommet out towards me. Thanks for this!!!!
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Default 08-11-2019, 03:36 PM

My first few pulls after install. This is on stock plugs and 93 octane.
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Default 08-12-2019, 09:24 AM

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Great, thank you! I just ordered a set. Can you tell me what to gap them at? Doesn't seem to be much information on the inter-webs.
You’ll want to run the same gap as the other plugs. .020 - .026 anywhere in between there will be fine. Whatever you choose, try to be consistent across all plugs.
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Default 08-12-2019, 12:44 PM

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I haven't looked at the 2L PCV system yet, have photos of the current OCC offerings out? I'll see if this look compatible.
Hey Terry - just wanted to check back in on this. Are the pictures in this thread what you are looking for?

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Hey Terry - just wanted to check back in on this. Are the pictures in this thread what you are looking for?

2.0T - Catch Can Install | Kia Stinger Forum
Thanks for the photos. I can't quite tell what I'd need to know, we will need to track down a local 2L Stinger to poke around. If anyone local to us has one can provide a free OCC solution (once we figure out how to do it!) in exchange for your trouble.


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Default 08-12-2019, 07:24 PM

Hi Terry,

Could you review these logs? They're my first hits on Map3.

On the 04_38 log, should I be concerned about the boost and throttle drop when it shifted?
It felt like a really lazy shift, never does that on Map2.

I was running 4gal of E85 mixed with 93, 103 degrees outside.


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Default 08-13-2019, 04:52 AM

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Thanks for the photos. I can't quite tell what I'd need to know, we will need to track down a local 2L Stinger to poke around. If anyone local to us has one can provide a free OCC solution (once we figure out how to do it!) in exchange for your trouble.
Damn.. wish I was closer, but I think I’m on the other side of the country. Where abouts are you located Terry?

I’ll see if I can get some buzz around this in the Stinger forum to see if anyone out your way would volunteer.

Thanks again for all you do!
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Default 08-13-2019, 07:23 AM

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Hi Terry,

Could you review these logs? They're my first hits on Map3.

On the 04_38 log, should I be concerned about the boost and throttle drop when it shifted?
It felt like a really lazy shift, never does that on Map2.

I was running 4gal of E85 mixed with 93, 103 degrees outside.


THanks!
Seems pretty normal to me here.
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Oops. Will upload new ones later.
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Default 08-13-2019, 12:15 PM

Just finished installing it all, New plugs gapped to .022, JB4 + fuel control wires, and the Fuel-It E85 Sensor.

Did a short run on Map1 then Map3 does anything seem out of sorts?

Car felt good no breaking up that I recall noticing. My only question is on the Fuel-It sensor. It seems to be registering with the JB4 as the E85 gauge populates data, but in the Fuel-It install guide it mentioned the following

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Within the JB4 app on the ethanol/E85 settings set “signal scaling” to 100,
check off “JB4 15/16 FlexFuel Input”, and save the settings. When active you should
see the E85 mixture appear under the “E85” parameter in the JB4 Mobile app.
But I'm not finding those settings anywhere. Maybe those instructions are obsolete with the v10 firmware?

Is there anything else I need to do for the JB4 to make use of the ethanol sensor data?

Just before the pulls for these logs I was at ~ 1/2 a tank of gas, I put in ~5 Gallons of E85 then topped the rest off with 93.

Also not sure if these logs are long enough. It was just a shake down run and I didn't have a lot of road to work with.
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Default 08-13-2019, 01:01 PM

Think I found the settings for the Fuel it Sensor looks like they are under WMI
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Default 08-14-2019, 12:39 PM

I don't recall reading from anyone else running the Fuel-It sensor so I'm not sure if this is expected.

But when I pull up the Fuel-It App its giving me a reading of E30 - E34. As I understand it thats ~30 to 34 % ethanol.

But the E85 meter in the JB4 app is reading ~ 15. In settings > WMI, I set "Signal Scaling (0-100)" to 100 and turned on the slider for "bit1:JB4 15/16 FlexFuel Input" I have the Fuel-It Sensor's white wire connected to pin 16 on the JB4.

Have I not setup something correctly for the sensor in the JB4 settings?

I also was able to do a brief run on map 5 that I've attached the logs to, car seemed happy but I'd appreciate an experienced look for anything that looks troubling.
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Default 08-14-2019, 12:58 PM

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I don't recall reading from anyone else running the Fuel-It sensor so I'm not sure if this is expected.

But when I pull up the Fuel-It App its giving me a reading of E30 - E34. As I understand it thats ~30 to 34 % ethanol.

But the E85 meter in the JB4 app is reading ~ 15. In settings > WMI, I set "Signal Scaling (0-100)" to 100 and turned on the slider for "bit1:JB4 15/16 FlexFuel Input" I have the Fuel-It Sensor's white wire connected to pin 16 on the JB4.

Have I not setup something correctly for the sensor in the JB4 settings?

I also was able to do a brief run on map 5 that I've attached the logs to, car seemed happy but I'd appreciate an experienced look for anything that looks troubling.
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Most likely you need to turn 15/16 off and turn on 2/3 which may then reflect the correct values. But you should email Terry for support.
I encountered a similar issue but I also have a WMI kit where the pin in the directions wasn’t available due to the WMI FSB.

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