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Default No steering controls, "engine malfunction" - 08-23-2020, 10:29 PM

Have JB4 and BMS PI controller. Car's been pretty carefree for several months since removing the MAP connection. (Before that got "engine malfunction" hiccups like ten times, could be a coincidence, or not.)

About four times in the last month the car has sputtered and/or died and/or displayed malfunctions. I've gotten codes for post *** oxygen too low and 2C58 boost pressure control deactivation. I don't know if they're related to the obvious symptoms.

The weirdest thing is at least twice the JB4 wheel controls stopped working temporarily. Today they didn't work after I got "engine malfunction" without sputtering or dying. After a couple minutes, with the engine temp about 170, I got the double flash and gauge sweep, and the controls started working.

I found some talk of similar issues like this: Longtime user...new JB4 Connection Issues! - N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion

Could a bad chip cause intermittent wheel control loss and the other problems? Or something else? Thanks.
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Have JB4 and BMS PI controller. Car's been pretty carefree for several months since removing the MAP connection. (Before that got "engine malfunction" hiccups like ten times, could be a coincidence, or not.)

About four times in the last month the car has sputtered and/or died and/or displayed malfunctions. I've gotten codes for post *** oxygen too low and 2C58 boost pressure control deactivation. I don't know if they're related to the obvious symptoms.

The weirdest thing is at least twice the JB4 wheel controls stopped working temporarily. Today they didn't work after I got "engine malfunction" without sputtering or dying. After a couple minutes, with the engine temp about 170, I got the double flash and gauge sweep, and the controls started working.

I found some talk of similar issues like this: Longtime user...new JB4 Connection Issues! - N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion

Could a bad chip cause intermittent wheel control loss and the other problems? Or something else? Thanks.
Hi,

How old is your board?

That almost sounds like a power issue- double check your power supply and make sure nothing is loose.


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Hi,

How old is your board?

That almost sounds like a power issue- double check your power supply and make sure nothing is loose.
I bought the JB4 9/2017.

Re: power supply, you mean the red wire stuck in the fuse socket? Any other connections to check?
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Check the ground. JB4 definitely needs a good ground. Where are you grounded now?
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Check the ground. JB4 definitely needs a good ground. Where are you grounded now?
Shock tower. I will check that, thanks. (Car's been in the shop for unrelated things for a week.)
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I bought the JB4 9/2017.

Re: power supply, you mean the red wire stuck in the fuse socket? Any other connections to check?
The red wire should not be going to the fuse holder. That is no longer the recommended power source. Run the red wire to the boost solenoid and tap into the blue wire that bridges between the two connectors. Also, move your ground to the factory ground point near the coolant reservoir.

How’s your car battery?


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The red wire should not be going to the fuse holder. That is no longer the recommended power source. Run the red wire to the boost solenoid and tap into the blue wire that bridges between the two connectors. Also, move your ground to the factory ground point near the coolant reservoir.

How’s your car battery?
Will I need more wire for either of those?

As far as I know the battery's fine, no weak starts or anything.
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Will I need more wire for either of those?

As far as I know the battery's fine, no weak starts or anything.
should not need more wire.

how old is the battery?


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should not need more wire.

how old is the battery?
I don't have any record of it being replaced, and I didn't, so probably 8 years.
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Default 09-12-2020, 05:36 PM

I rerouted power to the boost solenoid wire, and scraped off the paint under the shock tower bolt for the JB4 and PIC grounds, cleaning and electrical lubing everything. Elected not to run grounds to factory because the PIC wire was too short and it's possible to redo the grounds later if necessary, without removing all the panels. So far it's working fine, but the problem was intermittent so I'll try to post in a few months whether or not that continues.

I also have the FI-650HP power wire tapped into the JB4 wire (which is tapped into solenoid wire). I assume someone or something said to do that, but if someone reading this thinks it's bad, let me know.
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Everything seemed perfect for just short of a month and then it went haywire again. Started car after two stops of a few minutes or less and it sputtered and died twice, "engine malfunction". Bogged on starting at least once. Codes 2C58 and 2C6F. (Boost pressure build-up blocked, Boost pressure sensor short to B+). Next day no malfunction or roughness, but steering controls seem to randomly stop and start working. First they didn't like 3x, then they did 3x, then didn't 3x.

I'm pretty convinced the redone grounds are mated to the metal of the body; is that not enough for a perfect ground? I welcome ideas why things would be fine for a month, then suddenly and consistently bad.
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Update if someone has similar issues: It may have been a bad ground wire connection between stranded wire and fork terminal.

It would go months between malfunctions, then have the warning+limp, and/or sputtering, and/or random gauge sweeps, sometimes three times in two days then nothing for more months. The last thing I had to try was rewiring the grounds, which I put off because I knew they were tight on bare body metal, and there was electrical continuity between strut tower, negative battery terminal, and engine block.

It got bad today with gauge sweeps and sputtering, so I parked and adjusted the grounds to "make sure". Even after disconnecting the battery the sputtering wouldn't stop, and no JB4 wheel controls, so I strongly suspected a ground wire issue. Without bothering to disconnect the battery, I noticed one (JB4 or PIC) would "pop" on metal and one wouldn't, so I pulled that fork off and tightened the nut on the bare wire. Started up fine and no car or JB4 errors yet, but since the problem is so intermittent I'm not sure it's gone. If you have an engine malfunction I recommend soldering the terminals to rule them out.
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Update if someone has similar issues: It may have been a bad ground wire connection between stranded wire and fork terminal.

It would go months between malfunctions, then have the warning+limp, and/or sputtering, and/or random gauge sweeps, sometimes three times in two days then nothing for more months. The last thing I had to try was rewiring the grounds, which I put off because I knew they were tight on bare body metal, and there was electrical continuity between strut tower, negative battery terminal, and engine block.

It got bad today with gauge sweeps and sputtering, so I parked and adjusted the grounds to "make sure". Even after disconnecting the battery the sputtering wouldn't stop, and no JB4 wheel controls, so I strongly suspected a ground wire issue. Without bothering to disconnect the battery, I noticed one (JB4 or PIC) would "pop" on metal and one wouldn't, so I pulled that fork off and tightened the nut on the bare wire. Started up fine and no car or JB4 errors yet, but since the problem is so intermittent I'm not sure it's gone. If you have an engine malfunction I recommend soldering the terminals to rule them out.
I recently had intermittent problems with the steering wheel controls not being functional but also had the bluetooth connection die at the same time.

Turned out to be an intermittent connection in the CAN wire connections.

Piece of cake fix. Zero problems afterward and I swear the car runs better than ever now.


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Turned out to be an intermittent connection in the CAN wire connections.
I guess that's another thing to try if it comes back. Did it cause any of the other symptoms above like malfunction and poor running?
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I guess that's another thing to try if it comes back. Did it cause any of the other symptoms above like malfunction and poor running?
Boost was a little choppy at times or not even there.


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Update if someone has similar issues: It may have been a bad ground wire connection between stranded wire and fork terminal.
That wasn't it. Rewired grounds to negative battery terminal and soldered canbus connections just in case. Lasted six days before malfunction & limp on start, sputtering and dying on idle. I guess I'll email someone and hope for a miracle before finding an alternative tune and fuel controller.
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That wasn't it. Rewired grounds to negative battery terminal and soldered canbus connections just in case. Lasted six days before malfunction & limp on start, sputtering and dying on idle. I guess I'll email someone and hope for a miracle before finding an alternative tune and fuel controller.
Could be a bad JB4 board. Some connection or component has become vibration sensitive. Could also be a problem in the JB4 harness.


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Could be a bad JB4 board. Some connection or component has become vibration sensitive. Could also be a problem in the JB4 harness.
Thanks. I contacted Fuel-It! first since the issues only started after installing the port injection controller etc., and BMS is the next step.

Do you personally have any idea if the PIC board/connections could cause it?
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Thanks. I contacted Fuel-It! first since the issues only started after installing the port injection controller etc., and BMS is the next step.

Do you personally have any idea if the PIC board/connections could cause it?
Just spitballing.

As I mentioned above, I had a bad ground at the shock tower that caused zero boost. I later had a poor CAN Bus connection that caused intermittent boost and bluetooth connection would not work. It also took out steering wheel control.


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