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Question FMIC decision 2019 - 04-16-2019, 04:03 PM

Hi everyone.

Since I finally want to get rid of the stock IC, i went through alot of old (and more recent) threads in order to find the right one.

I narrowed the list down to the most prefered ones that also have reserves for turbo upgrades:

- VRSF 7,5"
- Wagner Evo 3 Comp.
- Phoenix Racing/BMS 7,5"

For stock turbos:

- VRSF 7" HD
- Wagner Evo 2 Comp/Perf


Should there be other ones on the list in your opinion?

Anyway. I read good and bad about all of those, so I cant really decide which one to buy :/

CP and ** or already installed. A turbo upgrade is not planned at the moment, but might happen in the future. Sooo... I am currently leaning towards the 7,5"/race intercoolers. Phoenix is the cheapest by far, but since I am from germany import costs come on top. Wagner is the most expensive and from what I read, performance is very good, but doesnt really justify the price difference over the others.

So if you would have to buy an IC today, which one would you choose and why?

Thanks alot guys
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Default 04-16-2019, 04:34 PM

Keep in mind you're posting on the BMS owned forums so their recommendation will be for their own product. I bought the 7 inch VRSF before the HD was an option. I have run up to 25 psi and to 140 mph on this intercooler. It wouldn't have been enough if I wasn't also spraying methanol. I think you need to consider where you live (Climate), if you are planning to run methanol or even ethanol, and how far you honestly plan to push the car.

I would buy the 7 inch HD right now if I was buying a new one. If you do go with VRSF I would toss their hardware (assuming it is the same as when I bought mine) and make a trip to the hardware store to purchase a better solution. I am talking about the bolt/screw they use to mount the intercooler to the bottom of the shroud.


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Default 04-17-2019, 07:41 AM

I have CSF it's great, but you need to build brackets for it to be held.



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Default 04-19-2019, 03:59 AM

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Keep in mind you're posting on the BMS owned forums so their recommendation will be for their own product. I bought the 7 inch VRSF before the HD was an option. I have run up to 25 psi and to 140 mph on this intercooler. It wouldn't have been enough if I wasn't also spraying methanol. I think you need to consider where you live (Climate), if you are planning to run methanol or even ethanol, and how far you honestly plan to push the car.

I would buy the 7 inch HD right now if I was buying a new one. If you do go with VRSF I would toss their hardware (assuming it is the same as when I bought mine) and make a trip to the hardware store to purchase a better solution. I am talking about the bolt/screw they use to mount the intercooler to the bottom of the shroud.
I dont plan on going the meth route and also its just going to be pump gas for me
So a larger intercooler should hopefully make up for that in a way.
Normal temperatures here in germany are quite low, with minor peaks in the summer. Not taking it to the track either.

Also I would prefer a clean solution, where the fitment and parts that are coming with the IC are great. If I need to build custom brackets to make it work, then thats a deal breaker.

Never really had CSF in the equation, gonna read up on them!

Anyone else with an opinion/advice , maybe?
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Default 04-19-2019, 01:32 PM

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I dont plan on going the meth route and also its just going to be pump gas for me
So a larger intercooler should hopefully make up for that in a way.
Normal temperatures here in germany are quite low, with minor peaks in the summer. Not taking it to the track either.

Also I would prefer a clean solution, where the fitment and parts that are coming with the IC are great. If I need to build custom brackets to make it work, then thats a deal breaker.

Never really had CSF in the equation, gonna read up on them!

Anyone else with an opinion/advice , maybe?
Something also to consider is drag racing. If you are sitting in staging lanes you will get a lot of heat soak before your run. If you don't drag race then I think a larger intercooler will serve you fine. All of the intercoolers that are built for your can shouldn't need special brackets. If you want to run a 7 inch intercooler you will need to cut away some of the plastic.

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Default 04-23-2019, 04:55 AM

Thanks for the images!
I already accepted the fact that trimming is inevitable to fit large enough ICs
No drag racing for me, just "spirited" street/autobahn driving in my case.

How much more trimming would a 7.5" IC need over the 7" one? If its almost the same, then it is decided.

Also, the original M front bumper has this grid with closed parts left and right, see:




Limiting incoming air by a good amount i guess. Is there an OEM part without the closed parts? In the parts calatog I found:

51118045432
51118055756 (with some kind of pedestrian cover/protection)

Would that one fit or do you recommend an aftermarket part?
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Default 04-23-2019, 08:18 AM

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Thanks for the images!
I already accepted the fact that trimming is inevitable to fit large enough ICs
No drag racing for me, just "spirited" street/autobahn driving in my case.

How much more trimming would a 7.5" IC need over the 7" one? If its almost the same, then it is decided.
The 7.5" intercooler requires a lot more trimming than the 7" one.

I've installed both. The 7.5" intercooler is great, I have the VRSF one on my 135i and am going to give the BMS/Phoenix one a try in my new 335i. It seems to be a great value.

If you'd rather go with a 7", the HD one is definitely better than the older non-HD version.


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I have the BMS E series RACE on my 750whp 335i. Barely any IAT increase in a 1/2 mile pull.
I wouldn't go any other route. Best price and quality can't be matched.

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Default 04-23-2019, 09:50 AM

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Thanks for the images!
I already accepted the fact that trimming is inevitable to fit large enough ICs
No drag racing for me, just "spirited" street/autobahn driving in my case.

How much more trimming would a 7.5" IC need over the 7" one? If its almost the same, then it is decided.

Also, the original M front bumper has this grid with closed parts left and right, see:


Limiting incoming air by a good amount i guess. Is there an OEM part without the closed parts? In the parts calatog I found:

51118045432
51118055756 (with some kind of pedestrian cover/protection)

Would that one fit or do you recommend an aftermarket part?
I cannot comment on the 7.5 because I have never installed one. Here are some photos of the same 7 inch intercooler when installed on my e92 Msport.

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