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Default 1M Big Single 6300-7000 Distruption - 03-04-2019, 10:52 AM

Afternoon Everyone,

I am trying to fine tune my setup but I am noticing hesitation in the 6300-7000rpm top end band. I have attached some 3/4 gear pull logs, nothing is really popping out at me. I notice a couple times where Afr1 hops up but afr2 stays within range. No Codes are being thrown, nor is the Map stepping down.

Anyone want to put a second set of eyes on this :-)

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Default 03-04-2019, 11:00 AM

Just noticed my Trims are stuck at 25... wonder if my O2s are bad :-/



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Default 03-04-2019, 11:13 AM

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Afternoon Everyone,

I am trying to fine tune my setup but I am noticing hesitation in the 6300-7000rpm top end band. I have attached some 3/4 gear pull logs, nothing is really popping out at me. I notice a couple times where Afr1 hops up but afr2 stays within range. No Codes are being thrown, nor is the Map stepping down.

Anyone want to put a second set of eyes on this :-)

Mods:
ViE GTW3884 67mm w/ 1.0 ar Hotside
DOC Intake Mani with PI (100% E85)
PR Stage 3+ with FPR Return
BPM4 Fuel Module
PR Coils
NGK 2-Steps, ~ 3k on them before single
JB5 ISO + MHD Backend + PI Controller + 3.5 bar (Set on Map 3)

Much appreciated in advance!
Hey can you describe “hesitation” a bit? I generally associate hesitation with the car wanting to misfire.



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Default 03-04-2019, 11:16 AM

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Hey can you describe “hesitation” a bit? I generally associate hesitation with the car wanting to misfire.
Feels like its stumbling/struggling 6300 and above, its not as bad as a misfire but I guess it could be. I thought about swapping plugs first but then noticed the trims being stuck.



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Default 03-04-2019, 12:50 PM

Not a PI expert, but is LPFP reported the same with that kind of setup? Because it got right down to 50 right before your trims/AFR went out of whack each time. I'd be surprised if you had a LPFP issue with that setup but maybe there is problem somewhere.
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Default 03-04-2019, 02:03 PM

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Not a PI expert, but is LPFP reported the same with that kind of setup? Because it got right down to 50 right before your trims/AFR went out of whack each time. I'd be surprised if you had a LPFP issue with that setup but maybe there is problem somewhere.
Well the FPR is vacuum referenced as well so that could skew that number. Still wouldn’t explain the trim being stuck as 25 across the board



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Default 03-04-2019, 02:30 PM

Trims stuck at 25 are usually indicative of o2 sensor failure. It also means you're in open loop fueling, which is not good for any type of WOT situation as your ECU isn't taking into account the o2 readings. Surprised you aren't getting codes though. Does fueling enter back into closed loop and get unstuck when you come off WOT? How many miles and what brand are the o2 sensors you have currently installed?


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Default 03-04-2019, 03:09 PM

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Trims stuck at 25 are usually indicative of o2 sensor failure. It also means you're in open loop fueling, which is not good for any type of WOT situation as your ECU isn't taking into account the o2 readings. Surprised you aren't getting codes though. Does fueling enter back into closed loop and get unstuck when you come off WOT? How many miles and what brand are the o2 sensors you have currently installed?
Has 45k miles, I am assuming they are the OEM O2s as the previous owner doesn't have any documentation around changing them nor have I. based on the logs it looks happy until the hiccups then sticks @ 25 (Open) according to the logs. * slight clarification, all logs were done in within minutes of each other and the car was never turned off so it looks like the Trims are going back to normal after a few seconds off throttle. My current assumptions are:
- Plugs , doesn't seem likely
- O2 sensors, replace all 4 with NTK?
- Exhaust leak perhaps



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Default 03-07-2019, 10:25 AM

If you have OEM o2 sensors they are really trash in single turbo applications. They don’t switch fast enough, die too easily and I actually don’t think they are accurate from my testing vs NTK


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Default 03-07-2019, 11:04 AM

Are both your rear O2s active ?

NTK or ADV I suppose if you can get those - seem hit or miss (I didn’t have much issues with mine)



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